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[charles05663]

The 255 cams first came out in the CVO engine. The next year they were added into the SE catalog as a SE part. In this case the CVO part turned into a SE part. The Cams marked CVO255 were made to go in a production CVO bike or were removed from one. The SE part is made the same but just isn't stamped with CVO on it. The CVO also came out with the 110 head and displacement size a year later it ended up in the SE catalog again. So do not think that SE parts go into the CVO as it really is the other way around most of the time.

Is this just another way of saying that the CVO owners are simply glorified beta testers of the SE parts for MoCo?  Please say it is not so!

 

[YELLOWBIRD]

Is this just another way of saying that the CVO owners are simply glorified beta testers of the SE parts for MoCo?  Please say it is not so!

 

Beta testers or....... The first to have the latest and greatest for one year! 

 

YB

[greentp99]

Jerry,

Thanks for that last answer. That was pretty much what I was looking for. And according to what you offered up I can make these conclusions

Heads – Upgraded? Still dont know.
    ported polished or not
    springs - ?
    valves -?
    rocker arms - stock
cams - Upgraded
pistons Upgraded
crank - stock
rods - stock
oil pump - stock
cam chest plate - stock
clutch spring - upgraded


Would have been nice if the cam plate and oil pump where also upgraded.


I don't believe my original question had anything to do with CVOs. I specifically asked about Screaming Eagle Motors and what parts were upgraded to get the screaming eagle designation. That has nothing to do with whether is was on a CVO or not as they sell crate Screaming Eagle motors but dont list the differences between the stock motors. Also... I think the word 'stock' confused some folks.. Yes the 110 motor comes STOCK as an SE but it is an SE not a STOCK motor... which again begs the question WHY is it an SE motor. if you want to say it is because of the badge on the side then fine... if that is all you care to know then so be it... but if you like to understand what the real differences are then you would understand why I wanted to know more about the motor. Believe me... it is not easy to KNOW... even with Jerry's info we have to assume that page is telling the whole story... or worse more...

I know I got frustrated with most of the responses and I apologize to those who I have frustrated but I was hoping someone would give me a straight forward answer and not all the BS opinions of what a CVO/SE is or is not.

It was a bumpy road but thank you Jerry

[OBB]

Gotta have thick skin at times with this crowd. Or any forum for that matter. Sometimes something comes across members as a chance to toss out a joke or two. Don't take anything personal. 

[Fired00d]

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I would have thought this was an easy question given the name of the site.

 

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I don't believe my original question had anything to do with CVOs. I specifically asked about Screaming Eagle Motors and what parts were upgraded to get the screaming eagle designation. ...

But, yet you come to a "CVO"Harley site to ask that question... what do you expect??

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[grc]

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Heads – Upgraded? Still dont know.  The heads are hemi combustion chambers and have larger ports than the 103 heads.
    ported polished or not    The heads are not ported and polished, they are as cast.  They do flow better than stock 103 heads.
    springs - ?                   The springs are stronger than the stock 103 springs.
    valves -?                     The valves are larger and heavier than the stock 103 valves.
    rocker arms - stock
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There are higher performance heads in the catalog, but those aren't what comes with a regular 110 crate engine.  If you look through the catalog for the Stage IV kits then you will find heads with more sophisticated chambers, ports, and valve jobs.

There have been more than a few posts over the years complaining about why Harley doesn't actually use Screamin' Eagle parts in the CVO engines, so you're not the first to wonder about this.  As I intimated before, Harley is more than happy to let people believe the CVO engine (which includes that 110 crate engine in the catalog that they call a SE engine) is a Screamin' Eagle high performance engine, and they've fooled a lot of people with their purposely misleading BS.  Then once you buy one you find out that your engine doesn't actually have any of those hi-po SE parts and you will need to spend a lot more money if you want them.  Don't forget, the 110 is still a street legal emission controlled engine so they can't throw all those non-street legal parts in them from the factory.  And of course Harley also has no intention of putting higher cost parts in a stock street legal engine.  That would cut into the fat profit margin just a bit too much.

Jerry

[timo482]

it IS a easy question - but the terminology can cause trouble - so a simple and direct answer to the question i *think* you are asking.

a stock 110 engine - has stock rockers, lifters, pump, pump plate, stock crank - stock cases bored for the large cylinders,

a 110 has 110 heads and 255 cams, and is a stock 96" engine other than that. - 103 engines are stone stock engines with big bore cylinders and big bore pistons - no other se parts in there at all. so to be precise a se 103 engine is exactly the same as 96 with big cylinders and pistons - a se 110 has heads, cams and big cylinders and pistons - nothing at all else.

se cranks are better than stock cranks - well they claim they are better i really don't know. some of the se cranks are forged and machined rather than cast - a 110 engine has a cast crank. but se cranks do NOT come in se engines - except:

the ONLY se engine that has most of the se parts in it is the 120 - it has the billet pump plate and big pump and a forged crank and se lifters and se bearings  mva heads, machined rocker boxes, .. all the rest of the "se" engines are 96" engines with bigger bores, the 110's have completely different heads..

this IS oversimplified because there are a few se engines on a few cvo bikes of a few years that have a few cool parts...

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[Yellow09SERG]

And don't forget that rattling noise that they make! That noise is supposed to be there isn't it? My dealer says it is......

Sorry

[dahsen]

All those explanations make me think about selling my CVO and build something with my Rocker C...   

But thank's for the info !