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Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« on: January 31, 2015, 03:13:34 PM »

Anyone else having an issue with the cruise control disengaging using the front brake lever?  Quite a few times now I have squeezed the front brake lever to turn off the cruise and the pressure is enough to lunge the bike (braking) but when I release the cruise is still active and I speed up again.  No problem if I squeeze the lever for 2+ seconds....but it used to turn off with just a "flick" of the brake.  I brought it to my dealers attention and (of course) they couldn't "replicate the issue" (I'm pretty sure that is mechanic talk for 'I don't want to deal with it').

Anyone else have this problem?
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 03:23:02 PM »

Yes. I have noticed this as well and stopped relying on the brake to turn off the cruise as you would expect. I like to use the cruise only when there is very light traffic and the need to brake is hopefully reduced. Still it's not an excuse and it should work as well as it does in my car.


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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 06:04:25 PM »

Have you had someone watch to see if the brake light is illuminating all the time when the front lever is being pulled?
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 08:26:45 PM »

Honestly have never tired to shut cruise off using front brake unless it was a panic type slow down or stop.  Usually when using cruise if I need it off due to approaching slower traffic I just roll the throttle forward and cruise shuts off, then position throttle where I need it.

Sounds like the issue might be with the front brake switch though.
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 06:11:04 PM »

I use the cruise, constantly on every ride. I always hit front brake to cancel as I hardly ever use the rear brake unless panic stop. Never had a problem on any of the bikes over the years with touch of frt brake lever not kicking it off. Make dealer due elec pin-point test on circuit. Complain it is a safety issue, complain loudly.
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 04:43:27 PM »

I have also ran into this problem on occasion but I'm not sure why it does it sometimes it seems to work I just use my rear brake and it seems to work better. Maybe harley will recall it eventually lol.
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2015, 05:08:04 PM »

My Tech said that it is a delay to the brake module. But I have found that it is easier to use the throttle as you do not give off a brake light and alert others . Billy
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2015, 05:42:28 PM »

My Tech said that it is a delay to the brake module. But I have found that it is easier to use the throttle as you do not give off a brake light and alert others . Billy

I seriously doubt that.  Is there also a delay for the brake lights to come on?  The speed of the electrons in that circuit is astonishingly fast, and the cruise on the late model bikes is handled by the ECM and the Electronic Throttle Control.  Both of those have very fast response times as well.

I've always personally preferred tapping the front brake, but to each their own.  At least you have multiple choices for disengagement, from turning off the switch, using either brake, rolling the throttle back, or pulling the clutch lever.  If all of those fail, throw out the optional H-D brand anchor and hold on.

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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 07:19:14 PM »

I've always personally preferred tapping the front brake, but to each their own.  At least you have multiple choices for disengagement, from turning off the switch, using either brake, rolling the throttle back, or pulling the clutch lever.  If all of those fail, throw out the optional H-D brand anchor and hold on.   Jerry

I always tap the front brake as well and have had no issues.  But, I am curious Jerry...which H-D anchor do you recommend...painted or chrome and what length of chain should one consider?   
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2015, 07:43:21 PM »

Come on now, you know it wouldn't be an official H-D anchor unless it was chromed (most likely cheap Chinese chrome of course). ;)  I think about 50 feet of official Harley chain should do the trick.  A pair of official Harley branded Depends might also be a good idea.

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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2015, 04:49:12 PM »

Just read this thread, had to laugh at the anchor and chain! Seriously, I have the same 2014 model hibernating at the moment, but anything to do with cruise not working is a worry. Harleychief2011, has the problem been identified and fixed yet? Particularly worrying as Jerry said, everything is controlled by the ECU  and if HAL has invaded the cruise control, what else may or may not stop working without any warning?
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2015, 05:29:16 PM »

I have a 2013 never had this problem. Always tap the front brake to release the cruise. Get it fixed. In an emergency stop you don't want to be thinking about this instead of the problem at hand.   
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2015, 02:37:41 AM »

Mine is still working ok, well it was last weekend. Take it to the dealer the bike must still be under warrenty
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2015, 02:27:10 PM »

Thanks for all the replies everyone!  Sorry its been awhile...slammed with work and then got into a major (60mph) accident on Monday.  Totaled the car...would have been dead on the bike!  Any other day I would have been on my motorcycle but decided to take the car because we just drove in from San Diego (400 miles) that morning!

I didnt even know you could disengage the cruise by rolling forward!  That is why I love this forum! 

Definitely going to have it checked again during my next service!  Maybe I'll hit them up for one of those chrome anchors!  LOL!
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2015, 08:11:03 PM »

Thanks for all the replies everyone!  Sorry its been awhile...slammed with work and then got into a major (60mph) accident on Monday.  Totaled the car...would have been dead on the bike!  Any other day I would have been on my motorcycle but decided to take the car because we just drove in from San Diego (400 miles) that morning!

I didnt even know you could disengage the cruise by rolling forward!  That is why I love this forum! 

Definitely going to have it checked again during my next service!  Maybe I'll hit them up for one of those chrome anchors!  LOL!

Glad you were in the car, not the bike.  Sorry you were in a accident.

For me, rolling it forward is the way I do it 90% of the time.  When I am on cruise, I usually do not need to stop, or even slow down quickly.  I just need to coast down a bit due to traffic. 

That said front brake should disengage it.
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2015, 12:40:40 PM »

Hi all:

I went on a trip out to MS this last weekend and experienced this same issue - intermittently.  Apparently, my memory is not as bad as I thought, because I remembered this thread.

Unfortunately, I see there was no resolution.  I did learn the "roll-on" method here, but I will forego the anchor.

I am hear to tell you though, the first time you learn that the front brake is not going to cancel the cruise, you are pretty quickly looking for an alternative!

Anyway, I am taking my bike in for a tire so I will have them look at the issue and post back here with any 411.

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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2015, 01:40:54 PM »

Just saw this thread and had to report that I had the same happen to me over the weekend! Tried it again yesterday and it worked as intended. I hate to take it to the dealership and receive the same "could not replicate" response but think that this is a very serious issue!!! While there might be many ways of disengaging it, you might easily end up in a situation with no time to think about it. I fear that HD will wait for some accidents to happen before they issue yet another recall...
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2015, 01:44:37 PM »

Try tapping the rear brake instead and see what happens.  Or maybe the electrons in the rear brake circuit are just as slow as the ones in the front brake circuit (but only occasionally)? ;)

I'd love for someone who has this problem to run a little test to see if the brake lights also have the same issue, ie. slow to respond to pedal or lever movement, or require excessive pressure before they respond.  Probably need a big mirror or a dark garage.

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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2015, 08:56:53 PM »

...I've always personally preferred tapping the front brake, but to each their own.  At least you have multiple choices for disengagement, from turning off the switch, using either brake, rolling the throttle back, or pulling the clutch lever.  If all of those fail, throw out the optional H-D brand anchor and hold on.

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Ha!  I thought maybe Jerry's "...throw out the anchor..." comment was referring to the "BoB"!
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2015, 05:33:56 PM »

Allcon:

In an update, it turns out that my front brake switch is faulty.  Apparently, I was getting no brake light which is connected to the cruise via ECM.  The warranty is going to replace the switch assembly, which according to the tech, is "pricey.  They have to replace the entire switch module on the right side.  According to Ronnie's HD $231.

Now, that there is some engineering Mother Harley.

So there you go.  If your front brake is failing to disengage the cruise, check your brake lights, too.

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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2015, 05:44:58 PM »

Have you had someone watch to see if the brake light is illuminating all the time when the front lever is being pulled?
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2015, 08:48:04 PM »

Have you had someone watch to see if the brake light is illuminating all the time when the front lever is being pulled?


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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2015, 03:51:32 AM »

Allcon:

In an update, it turns out that my front brake switch is faulty.  Apparently, I was getting no brake light which is connected to the cruise via ECM.  The warranty is going to replace the switch assembly, which according to the tech, is "pricey.  They have to replace the entire switch module on the right side.  According to Ronnie's HD $231.

Now, that there is some engineering Mother Harley.

So there you go.  If your front brake is failing to disengage the cruise, check your brake lights, too.

Mark

Yep been there and got the T shirt. My entire switch module on the right side had to be replaced. The bike was delivered to me new, with a cut off switch that didn't work, had to stall the bike to switch the engine off! Took Harley 6 weeks to get a switch to the UK. Replaced under warranty
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2015, 04:34:48 PM »

Just got back from the dealer as I had the cruise control once again not disengage with the front brake. I did check the brake lights multiple times now and it always worked fine. Anyways, while the bike did not show error codes on the speedo, once we hooked it up to their Diagnosis system sure enough it had logged Code 0572 multiple times over the last 3000miles! It is the Switchpack assemblyr on the right side (Part no: 71500163A) and will need to be replaced under warranty. I am convinced that there are many of us out there riding with this faulty unit without even realizing...
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2015, 02:53:13 PM »

Just got back from the dealer as I had the cruise control once again not disengage with the front brake. I did check the brake lights multiple times now and it always worked fine. Anyways, while the bike did not show error codes on the speedo, once we hooked it up to their Diagnosis system sure enough it had logged Code 0572 multiple times over the last 3000miles! It is the Switchpack assemblyr on the right side (Part no: 71500163A) and will need to be replaced under warranty. I am convinced that there are many of us out there riding with this faulty unit without even realizing...

Thanks for the update man!  I'm taking the bike in for my 20K soon.... so I will show them this thread.  At least I know I'm not crazy and see others are having the same problem!  I genuinely appreciate the feedback!

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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2015, 08:59:26 PM »

Thanks for the update man!  I'm taking the bike in for my 20K soon.... so I will show them this thread.  At least I know I'm not crazy and see others are having the same problem!  I genuinely appreciate the feedback!

Ride safe my friends!

Your most welcome! Be safe and report back.
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2015, 05:33:14 PM »

Dealer replaced my switch block yesterday.  They had to fiddle with the original one to replicate the problem as it was intermittent.  That was not an issue, because they apparently know about the defect.  The technician commented that the new switch blocks are a different color now.

Sounds like a stealth recall or product program that mother Harley is content with waiting on until customers complain. I think it is a safety issue and there are enough faulty switch blocks our there to warrant a recall.  Just my 2c.

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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2015, 09:26:33 PM »

Dealer replaced my switch block yesterday.  They had to fiddle with the original one to replicate the problem as it was intermittent.  That was not an issue, because they apparently know about the defect.  The technician commented that the new switch blocks are a different color now.

Sounds like a stealth recall or product program that mother Harley is content with waiting on until customers complain. I think it is a safety issue and there are enough faulty switch blocks our there to warrant a recall.  Just my 2c.

M

Agreed 100%! I don't want to imagine what will happen if it happens by surprise at the wrong time, in the wrong place...
I think the suffix "A" was added to the original part number to indicate the new one. If I am not mistaken the part should be around $230 or so. Bike will be going in soon.
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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2015, 11:36:46 AM »

Mine is definitely not properly disengaging the cruise control. Just tested it today and it wouldn't cancel the cruise control if you pulled the front brake lever unless you pulled it really hard. A couple of light pulls did nothing other than lightly apply the brakes. Lightly pressing the rear brake cancelled it ok as did pulling the clutch lever. I'm going to get it looked at when its in for its 15k and show them this thread.


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Re: Cruise Control Disengage (Front Brake)
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2018, 08:15:34 AM »

I have had the same issue again. It seems to not turn off the cruise the first time I use it with the front brake. I had time to play with the front brake. It would not turn off the cruise after  four times I then touched the rear brake and it turned off. After that the front brake would turn off cruise on first light tap. Tech could not duplicate on last visit as it only happened once before. Tech said they would replace a module if it happens again. I will be at dealer today to have the part ordered.  Billy
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