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[cambo]

They have had more than one recall so far on the hydraulic clutch master cylinders cam.  This reads like the first one that came out, before they then followed up with another because the first "fix" wasn't a good fix. 

Btw, the problem mentioned in the recall wouldn't cause you to lose fluid, it just basically means the seals in the M/C are allowing fluid to bypass and therefore not provide full pressure to the actuator to release the clutch.  So the story you got from the aces at the dealership the first couple trips was still BS.

Jerry

Jerry,

A good friend and forum member (and a new BFF), texted me the other day and meant to say 'how's the bagger?'. Of course his iPhone, being the helpful assistant that it is autocorrected it to say 'how's the nagger?', which still applied. I have been nagging, frankly. So I told him I'm doing fine and thanked him for his concern AND his candor!

But allow me to nag some more here: this recall describes 'exactly' what I reported to them multiple times: to the sales guy, his manager, the service writer, the service manager, the senior tech number one, the service writer number 2, the senior tech number two, HD customer rep number one (Jaime) and HD customer rep number two (Tim). They totally disregarded my description of the problem and kept bleeding the line and adding fluid.

Now they have a recall for the problem and I am not expecting an apology. But I would hope I have enough credibility for them to have checked the transmission as they stated to see what happened to all that fluid. Also since they want the whole system to be flushed using a 'special' solution, I assume there is some type of contamination that needs to be cleaned up.

[Chains]

This is not a new issue, they have had hydraulic clutch issues for several years. Your dealer is either a complete idiot or a POS or both.


http://www.ibtimes.com/harley-davidson-recall-2013-2014-touring-motorcycles-recalled-do-not-ride-faulty-hydraulic-clutch

[T-Roy]

Well Hammond Harley got my clutch problems diagnosed and I need a new pressure plate and throw out bearing. That is exactly what Steve of GMR Performance suspected when I called him and told him the symptoms I was experiencing. Hammond Harley and myself have called Barnett clutch this morning, I left a voice mail, to see about any warranty on the clutch components. I also have heard about a heavy duty throw out bearing from Baker Drive Train. So I am trying to get in touch with GMR to see if he would reccomend going back together with this heavy duty bearing.

[zigscvobo]

Cam, will this end up happening to our Breakout?

[T-Roy]

Well I spoke with Steve at GMR and I was confused, but he straightened me out. The heavy duty throw out bearing from Baker is not for the hydraulic clutches. The throw out bearing for the Barnett hydraulic version clutch is actually part of the pressure plate. So now it is just a matter of getting the replacement components from Barnett shipped to Harley under warranty and them putting everything back together.

[cambo]

Cam, will this end up happening to our Breakout?

I don't think so. The recall references specific part numbers and mentions touring models as being affected.

[grc]

The first recall for this problem was issued in October of 2013, and yes it did include the 2014 CVO Breakout built between May 3 and Oct. 14 of 2013.  The following year another recall was issued for ALL Touring models from the 2014 model year, I believe that one was released in September of 2014.  And now of course we have recall number three.

If you have a question about whether or not your bike is included in a recall, you can input your VIN on the Harley website and get that information.  You can do the same thing on the NHTSA site as well, but there is a lag and recently announced recalls may not show up.

https://vinrcl.safercar.gov/vin/

Jerry

[zigscvobo]

I got my BO in Dec of 13. First mistake in Va. Dont buy a bike in Dec, you will have to pay personal property tax for that year. 10years in Fl. and came back to Va. Wow was I spoiled down there. I will have to put my vin on the HD site. Do I just go to HD.com?

[T-Roy]

When I first started having clutch issues a little over a week ago it seemed the master cylinder was the issue so New Orleans Harley replaced the master cylinder with a new one. I hope this new master cylinder does not need a recall.

[grc]

I got my BO in Dec of 13. First mistake in Va. Dont buy a bike in Dec, you will have to pay personal property tax for that year. 10years in Fl. and came back to Va. Wow was I spoiled down there. I will have to put my vin on the HD site. Do I just go to HD.com?

https://www.harley-davidson.com/content/h-d/en_US/home/owners/maintain-your-bike/service-recalls.html

Jerry

[zigscvobo]

Looked mine up and had forgotten it was done when the fuel gauge recall was done last year. I will save this link to check periodicly.

[jpb]

They have had more than one recall so far on the hydraulic clutch master cylinders cam.  This reads like the first one that came out, before they then followed up with another because the first "fix" wasn't a good fix. 

Btw, the problem mentioned in the recall wouldn't cause you to lose fluid, it just basically means the seals in the M/C are allowing fluid to bypass and therefore not provide full pressure to the actuator to release the clutch.  So the story you got from the aces at the dealership the first couple trips was still BS.

Jerry

Right on and like I said BS

[jpb]

I truly hope I am wrong and this new recall will fix Cam's bike.  We are headed to Ocean City at the end of the of the month and he needs his big ride.

Jerry is right on with his explanation.  The tear in the piston of the master cylinder as described in the recall will not have any influence on the fluid disappearing from the master cylinder.  The fluid will only bypass the torn piston and generate little, if any, lifting of the pressure plate.  This condition will also not introduce any air into the system so long as there is ample fluid in the master cylinder and the porting is not exposed to air.  However it is good to get this known recall issue resolved under the recall promotion even if it doesn't directly address his current issue with the clutch.

I am sure it is possible, but I have yet to see any hydraulic system become self bleeding by way of the air working it's way up the lines ending up in the master cylinder reservoir.  If there was any excessive air in the system the moco tech would have not have been able to even test ride the bike on a single of the many attempts they said it was fixed and returned to Cam.

Like I said I hope I am very wrong.  I still hold out that the slave is leaking into the tranny.  In the end I think this is what will need to be replaced.  I believe the dealer at this point will also change the slave out but won't admit it in order to save face. lol

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Roy

I am happy to hear that you are able to get it taken care of. That very same bearing is used in the other top brand after market clutch as well.. so Nothing more than have a defective bearing..  Please let me know if there is any thing else that you need assistance with

[FlaHeatWave]

After reading this thread, I figured that I would put in my 2cents...

Roy, I think Hammond Harley is great for diagnosing / fixing your Aftermarket Clutch issues.

Cam, 'can feel your frustration, (I would have probably "lost it" long ago!) Your issue (and maybe a few others) might have spawned the most recent recall? 'Really hope it solves your problems!

Jerry, I agree with you, some of the HD techs, I wouldn't let work on my bicycle but, (there's always a "but" with me these days. LOL at self). Like yourself, I have direct (Tech) experience with OEMs and 'have been an Independent as well (Outboard Motors). With OE, we relied more on the Manufacturer for Diagnostic Procedures and Parts Replacement, if the OEM didn't have the proper Parts or Procedures, life could be difficult for us (we hated being relegated to "educated parts changers"~ sometimes that's all we could do!) and The Customer, then some kind of Recall / TSB would usually be initiated (To my knowledge there is no OEM that doesn't operate in this manner ~ The Customer is a guinea pig). As my knowledge progressed, and I was attending the OEM (OMC & Mercury) "Top Gun"  Schools, we were placed in the Test Cells with the Engineers to assist with writing Procedures on the soon to be launched Engine Programs, it made sense to me, that the OEMs gave us credit for knowing what worked in the real world. Then as an Independent with a lot of time in the saddle (like Steve) we could pretty much Diagnose over the phone and be correct... We used to bitch (brag) about having to "fix the $hit that the OEMs should have designed properly in the first place" or (Automotive / Inboard/Outboards) "I'd like to get the engineers by the nuts, and tell them, You come work on this POS!"

I'm really surprised that The MoCo hasn't had more issues with the Rushmores, we'll see as the time / miles progress...