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[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

We have used that and the bandit as well.. Even the + one kit would be better..  If the clutch does not slip then there is nothing wrong.. You may not like where it lets out but that is what you have.  Not that I am taking sides just pointing out ,..to you that HD built a bike it works.  Maybe get a new lever with a adjustable pivot point and have it " feel" better and go from there.    There are a few that are being made now.

[BigLew]

I agree with GM, don't even really know what the issue is so I'm sure throwing more money with a new clutch will solve anything. Once again I can tell you from experience that fluid level is critical in your bike. I would spend a little time and play with that. If that doesn't fix it is most likely internal with the clutch pak and maybe Harley should replace it all. This is not my opinion it is exactly what happened to mine.

BigLew

[FullBagger]

GMR-PERFORMANCE,

Thanks again.
I hear you and technically you're right.....it works. It's not right in my opinion but it works.

BigLew,

Thanks for the input. I will see what the next dealer says and I will have a fluid level discussion with them when I drop it off.

I would love to close this thread!

[BigLew]

Bet you would, as the boys would say "been there done that". I know its a personal preference thing and the hydro system is a little different from bike to bike but I believe you are on the right path by finding someone who will listen and work with you. Good luck!

BigLew

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Well lets take a look at a Hydro system in cars as all most all of them are hyrdo now. SO drive a few and you will see that they are all over the place as far as engagement goes. GM sure is heck is not going to warranty parts due to operator issue on where it engages. Mass produced parts, in the end the clutch works does not slip so really that falls back on the owner to pay to correct the issue that he feels is an issue. Now if the clutch slipped or bucked, shuddered etc then well maybe but its a wear item and it is clearly outlined that is not something they will warranty..

I bet if you took a few packs measured them , you could put together a taller stack and it would solve the problem.. Building high performance auto trans that is how its done. A bunch of steels that you mic and set up. You look for that tallest stack you can get into the hub. 

Now if HD would take a look at the import bikes you see that many comes with adjustable levers ... HA HA do you think this is the first time this has come up. Simple fix alter the lever to allow the owner to find the place he likes it. Nothig has changed other than the hand posting though .. Its a feel thing nothing more.

[skreminegul07]

My brother in law bought a 2015 Tri-Glide last August.  He's basically a new rider.   He was horrible on the clutch, making me cringe.  At 500 miles he blew up the clutch, grenaded.  I told him his roll of was really bad.  Dealer replaced everything under warranty.  800 mile later, same thing.  They finally agreed to cover it when he mentioned lemon law.
If you know what I went through with the 2007 110 issues, i would never come out and defend the MOCO, but in his case I told him he was blowing up the clutch.
Meanwhile, I did like the hydraulic clutch on the 2007 FLHRES3.  These Rushmore clutches are different as far as the parts, the slave cylinder trapdoor is different as is the master.
Did the MOCO take a system that worked on the CVO line for many years (except for leaks) and then mass produce it cheaply and require three recalls?
By the way, I totally agree that this clutch on the 2014 street Glide is way too on /off and not very forgiving.

[FullBagger]

Your are right, it's a feel thing. It feels like $#!%.
To "fix" it, I'm willing to pay. Problem is, I don't want to throw time and money at the wrong fix.

As suggested, "lets take a look at a Hydro system in cars". If you bought a new car and the clutch had no peddle left when fully engaged, would that be OK? If that same clutch was more like an on/off switch, would that be OK? If that same clutch was shot at 7000 miles, would that be OK?
Just because it's mass produced, doesn't mean it should just be accepted "as-is" and you have to live with it.
Wow. I feel better now!

Update: My bike is in the shop. A second local dealer is looking at the clutch. If nothing is found "wrong", I suppose I'll replace the clutch with what I mentioned in a previous post. There is no Barnett +1 for my bike. I only wish I could find a definitive answer to, "WILL THIS FIX THE FEEL"?

 

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Part# 303-30-10043 is the kit we use. 9 plates  for the A&S maybe I got confused as I saw the other bike posted. That is my mistake,  We have used that kit and the springs it worked fine however the pull was heavier. The SDR unit has been something works great and if the clutch pack is worn we use the kit above and no spring unless needed . Again for the A&S set up. or just swap the entire unit out for something else .   


And I never said you had to be happy with it but , sorry you bought a HD , and the quality control and things being built right are not what they sell today. If your bike and lets say 100 others have that issue , its not an issue from a manufacturing stand point today..  Not ok with it just what I see doing this for a living,.  and is your clutch shot at 7000 miles ?? Joe vibes pack was burnt and he never knew it it still worked , Dont get mad at me for pointing out what goes on today.. as for the cars   thats a good one , yea take it back to the dealer see how that goes been there and done that.. I bought several new clutches and did the work myself . ,  Wifes M3 BMW was the same way ( way up on top )  , my dodge truck ( right off the floor and fact dealer told me to install a thinner matt !!) .. my 62 chevy truck with a tremec TKO 600 hyd set up ( complete kit with a huge price tag ) .. I pulled that out as it never worked right and went with a 4l80E.. Trust me I am not sympathetic to your issue. 

I hope that they just install a complete new pack ( measure the old one vs the new one) and see how that does for you. at this point you could have bought the parts and done it and not spent the time and effort of going back and forth to the dealer.  That is what kills me , silly things that in the end are not that costly yet we know the dealer should be correcting the issue

[FullBagger]

GMR-PERFORMANCE,

Thanks for looking at this again.
You're right, that is not what they are selling.
Why would I be mad? You can't get mad at a messenger. Just a little friendly banter. Anyway, point taken, HD is not unique.

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

All good , with text it seems that some can get upset when there is no malice intended. Hell I ask to see a dyno sheet on a build and get the evil PM messages HA HA  so what can you say.. Just tying to be clear and not pee in anyone sand box if I can avoid it.

[grc]

I haven't looked lately to see if anyone is offering an adjustable clutch lever that is actually designed for the late model Harley hydraulic clutches, but when I did a year ago the only offerings were NOT designed for hydraulic clutch Harleys.  If there are some on the market now, folks could try that approach to move the engagement point a little closer to the grip, as long as they make sure they are still getting full release of the clutch.  However, that is still not going to change the complaints about the on or off abruptness.  That is a function of the clutch itself, not the hydraulic system.

Jerry

[BigLew]

I have a related question. Why does the motorCo use this fluid clutch anyway? Is there some big advantage. This is my 3rd cvo with this system and I have never liked it. I heard it was intended to make the pull easier but I' not sure that's true.

BigLew

[moscooter]

 
Well,  Making the pull easier is the obvious answer.  While you may not recognize it,  it must indeed be easier than what a cable only system would offer.  Really,  the same reason that Chrysler back in the '40's,  was the first to go with "juice" brakes, and at some point,  high horsepower engines requiring HD (Heavy duty) clutches needed the slave cylinder "juice" clutch set up.

If you never experienced trying to stop a Model A Ford with mechanical brakes only going about 30 MPH downhill and you're pushing on the pedal as hard as you can....................you would quickly understand the advantages of hydraulics.

[BigLew]

I've been riding bikes for 50 years the CVO juice system doesn't pull any easier than the cable system. Its just stupid that there is no way to adjust the release point.

BigLew

[moscooter]

 
Well,  being as I'm currently 73, and rode my first Harley when I was about 17,  I've got in more than 50 years of riding bikes too.  My current SG Special,  the clutch pull is easier to me than some previous cable operated ones I have had..........but I sure would sign up for an (adjustable) release point as a way to resolve these concerns.