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[Boatman]

OhioDave and I helped a friend put a 120R in his 2011 Limited June 14..  Had a front cylinder SE lifter roller failure a few weeks ago at 8,000 miles (can't remember intake or exhaust).  He does not ride hard. Shouldn't have happened but it did.  Not making me feel warm and fuzzy about my 14 with SE lifters.  He put back in S&S premium lifters w/out limiters and stock 120R cams.

[Boatman]

Roller pin.

[Boatman]

Roller.  Made standard chirping noise when failing.

[Boatman]

Lifter body has mark where roller was touching it in the top. Lifter body has score marks on the outside and one lip of the lifter broken off.  Other lifters felt ok..

[dmnrdn]

Only one word to describe that

UGLY

[db252]

That is not good at all.  I didn't really have the same fear of the lifters going bad either (14 CVO RK) however, during my engine build I did notice abnormal wear on my rear exhaust lifter roller and cam.  All the rest looks good with 10,000 miles as of now and glad that I'm changing everything on the top end.  Wasn't changing because of a noise rather just doing it because I wanted to do a 113 so I was glad to get this out whether it's bad or normal-ish.

Hopefully no more problems with your friends ride.

[sadunbar]

I change lifters every 5,000 to 7,000 miles on both my 110 and 120r motors "no matter what".  More than once, I've found a lifter starting to fail, a couple of times failure was imminent.  I am very sure had I not changed lifters on a schedule akin to changing oil, that I would have had a failure such as pictured.  The majority of my riding on my SEUC is trips west that are of duration of 4,000 to 7,000 miles.  Mostly riding in the Rocky Mountains, two up, pulling a Bushtec.   I admit this type of riding is hard on motors.  Extended periods of riding at high engine temperature.  Pulling to 10/12,000 feet regularly, sometime a few times each day.  But never abusive riding.  Actually, as gentle as possible riding, considering the terrain.  I always leave home with new oil, filter and lifters.  Sad state of affairs, but I'd prefer this type preventative maintenance vs. a failure thousands of miles from home.  Almost as frustrating as the four compensators I've needed to reach 30,000 miles... 

[Twolanerider]

I change lifters every 5,000 to 7,000 miles on both my 110 and 120r motors "no matter what".  More than once, I've found a lifter starting to fail, a couple of times failure was imminent.  I am very sure had I not changed lifters on a schedule akin to changing oil, that I would have had a failure such as pictured.  The majority of my riding on my SEUC is trips west that are of duration of 4,000 to 7,000 miles.  Mostly riding in the Rocky Mountains, two up, pulling a Bushtec.   I admit this type of riding is hard on motors.  Extended periods of riding at high engine temperature.  Pulling to 10/12,000 feet regularly, sometime a few times each day.  But never abusive riding.  Actually, as gentle as possible riding, considering the terrain.  I always leave home with new oil, filter and lifters.  Sad state of affairs, but I'd prefer this type preventative maintenance vs. a failure thousands of miles from home.  Almost as frustrating as the four compensators I've needed to reach 30,000 miles...

I don't do it that often Scott.  But I've heeded your intent in our talks over the years open the cam chests every winter for inspection.  If the lifters aren't changed at each inspection they are definitely changed every other year.  With two bikes and just me that may get them to 10,000 or per bike.  I just make the lifters a consumable (hoping they don't consume anything else).

Bob, hate to see this happening to your buddy's bike.  What was the collateral damage?

[Ridgerunr]

I removed the lifters from my 2014 CVO RK at 300 miles, replaced with S&S Prem. The OE lifters have nothing identifying them as SE, so I'm assuming they're "C" lifters.
These crap lifters go back to the release of the twin cam. The "B" lifters were good but the high dollar SE back then exhibited the same failures you have.

[sadunbar]

I removed the lifters from my 2014 CVO RK at 300 miles, replaced with S&S Prem. The OE lifters have nothing identifying them as SE, so I'm assuming they're "C" lifters.
These crap lifters go back to the release of the twin cam. The "B" lifters were good but the high dollar SE back then exhibited the same failures you have.

SE lifters came stock in your 2014 motor.  There are no "SE" markings to identify the current SE lifters.  The only visual difference in the current SE lifters are the larger diameter needle rollers.

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Yep.
S&S std, or the Premiums.
You'll never go wrong.
Scott

[HD Street Performance]

SE lifters came stock in your 2014 motor.  There are no "SE" markings to identify the current SE lifters.  The only visual difference in the current SE lifters are the larger diameter needle rollers.

That lifter that failed is a Harley -C Eaton made in Mexico. Check the parts book and I believe MY 2013 shows a Screaming Eagle part then back to the -C in 2014up. The S reaming eagle lifters are logoed

[db252]

The '13 and up CVO's have the 18572-13 as stock lifters which is the SE Lifter.

[grc]

Indeed.  I think a lot of people still don't understand that the high capacity lifters introduced in the 2013 CVO110's do not have a Screamin' Eagle logo, thus the continued claims that late model 110's don't have the updated lifters.  The parts catalogs show the high capacity lifters for 2013 through present 110's.  The only way I know to tell for sure is to compare the bearings visually with a known standard lifter.  The internals of the new lifter still seem to be the cheap crap "C" version, so the odds of abnormal leakdown and slow to pump up issues remain even with the new lifter.  When in doubt, buy a lifter with a long standing reputation for quality like the S&S product.

Jerry

[HD Street Performance]

Thanks for the clarification. All that said my 2013 was very noisy and testing the lifters for leak down didn't reveal any slower bleed as compared to the standard lifters.