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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2018, 10:30:49 AM »

Does anyone have a dyno comparison of the cvo 110 to 117 se259 vs se585? About ready to pull the trigger.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2018, 12:22:35 PM »

Thanks for posting your results, it looks very good. I'm going to do basically the same build for a friends CVO, use the drop in 117 kit. SE58mm, TTS 150 cams, the OEM 110 heads ported, good exhaust system, unchosen as of now.

Makes for a great highway and back road machine. Lot's of usable power on tap.


I also have an older 117 in one of my bikes that's getting the TTS 150 cams, and an overhaul.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2018, 03:25:03 PM »

Thought I would share some info about my new motor build and the dyno pull.

Original motor build:
CVO 110 with 10.5:1 pistons
MVA HEADS
58mm throttle body
SE High flow injectors
SE585 cams
SE cam plate
SE oil pump
SE lifters
Rinehart tru-duals exhaust

New motor build:
SE 117 with 10.5:1 pistons
MVA HEADS
58mm throttle body
SE High flow injectors
TTS 150 cams
S&S cam plate
S&S Oil pump
S&S Lifters
S&S Rolling rockers
S&S Fly wheel
Rinehart tru-duals exhaust

Was this a CVO with the diaphragm clutch, or a newer CVO with the slipper clutch? Only reason I ask is just curious as to what may have been done to beef the clutch up for the added torque.

Thanks   
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2018, 09:42:40 PM »

Does anyone have a dyno comparison of the cvo 110 to 117 se259 vs se585? About ready to pull the trigger.

If those are your only Two cam options, go with the 259. (more overlap & more duration, more TDC lift
will all help with added cubes)
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2018, 10:54:21 PM »

Did i miss it? I don’t see the dyno charts. I would also make a cam descision based on the desire of more or less low and mid range torque and weight of the bike.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2018, 08:13:47 AM »

I would keep in mind the pipe is not getting enough weight in the decision. If the compression corrected is ballpark low to midrange torque will be fine. If there is too much overlap it will suffer from reversion low. None of the HD E series cams have this issue right up to the 266.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2018, 01:35:43 PM »

Out of the box kit with the advertised compression of 9.9 was what I was going to purchase. When I asked the dealer about the cam he mentioned I could get the 585 if desired over the 259. I was just curious what overlapping dyno pulls would reveal on the left side as I do like the pull of the 255 currently in the 110.
I also would like to know if fuel milage suffers dramatically with this kit as I does come with the larger throttle body & injectors.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2018, 03:06:19 PM »

Out of the box kit with the advertised compression of 9.9 was what I was going to purchase. When I asked the dealer about the cam he mentioned I could get the 585 if desired over the 259. I was just curious what overlapping dyno pulls would reveal on the left side as I do like the pull of the 255 currently in the 110.
I also would like to know if fuel milage suffers dramatically with this kit as I does come with the larger throttle body & injectors.
yes fuel milage goes down alot if you ride it like your supposed too :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2018, 09:53:56 AM »

yes fuel milage goes down alot if you ride it like your supposed too :2vrolijk_21:
The 259 will have you downshifting more often at that compression. It works much better at 10.7 or thereabouts. The 585 will be fine there at 9.9. The decision is formed by how you ride, the payload, and what are your goals. The dyno is not what we ride and  if the 259 is installed 7 tenths of a point low on compression even with 117" onboard the motor will be a little soft until 3k rpm, when compared to the 259 at the stock CR.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2018, 02:38:57 PM »

Thanks HD street performance for your input.  I was thinking that would be the case with that compression especially since the cvo head ports are alot larger reducing the velocity at lower RPM. I was even pondering keeping the 255's in the 117. Has anyone tried that?
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2018, 09:44:40 PM »

I would think keeping the 255s would really hinder the potential based on what everything would cost. I'd rather stay 110" with a better cam and a few other odds and ends, than to go 117 and stick with the 255s.

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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2018, 09:57:14 AM »

What has happened along the way though is the motor is now larger. The stock head is not big, the cross sectional area, for a 117" 2cyl. The stock SE255 at 9.9 would be dicey. Require a perfect tune with timing mods. But why? Everyone is so worried about "low end torque". Relax the motor is the equivalent of a 468" V8. It picked up low end torque by virtue of the size. The 259 cam was and is a big cam in a 96" motor is now calm and streetable at 117". Don't make the mistake of going too small with the cam. It will run very hot and ping. The SE585 is not too small, the SE255 is. There are many 240-245° cams that work well in this motor. If the heads are ported properly they will not lose low end torque either, just extend the torque curve and pull harder on top. Concentrate on a pipe choice that will match the performance you want too. Once some overlap is added (cam change) the motor will become more pipe sensitive. Get it to a great tuner and use a flash device, TTS, Direct Link, or Power Vision. the tuner decides. Do not lug the motor, downshift. Your crank and compensator will love you!
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2018, 11:19:24 AM »

I would think keeping the 255s would really hinder the potential based on what everything would cost. I'd rather stay 110" with a better cam and a few other odds and ends, than to go 117 and stick with the 255s.

The 255 is a smog cam, It has virtually NO overlap, (which is critical to producing power). 255s are not even
on my radar screen. They're garbage.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2018, 04:03:51 PM »

so the upgrade 117 from harley is not good
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2018, 07:57:35 PM »


  There is nothing wrong with HD's 117 big bore kit it just needs some tweeking
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