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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 03:04:30 PM »

I like the concept, but that's a lot of money for so little range....
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 03:24:13 PM »

Looks like Harley is bring back the beloved 110 back...only in miles this time.  Hopefully it is more reliable.

 :oops: :nixweiss:

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https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ces-2019-harley-davidson-livewire-price-pre-order/
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 03:34:33 PM »

Around town scoot commuter bike.  Not for me.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 04:54:33 PM »

And we were skeptical that Harley could solve the sumping issue!
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 06:44:52 PM »

I actually like the design of the bike and it would be cool if they put a 1200 in it and drop the price about $18K but it still wouldn’t be something I’d buy...but then again I’m not their target market on this.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 07:11:45 PM »

Lot of things I like about it but a lot of things I also don't.  Doesn't matter though, at $30K+...there's really nothing a motorcycle could do to get me to drop $30K+.
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2019, 07:20:33 PM »

HO-HUM

Rather than a $60K layout for two Harley commuter bikes we have two Burgmans in the garage.
Maybe Honda will produce a less than $10K electric bike.
Still hard to beat the Burgmans, they are lots of fun!!


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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2019, 07:54:14 PM »

Starting at 29k? What options would there be to add to it? A seat covered in solar panels?
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2019, 08:28:03 PM »

well, the MoCo is not going to capture the new blood they need to stay alive with that price point.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2019, 08:48:58 PM »

Starting at 29k? What options would there be to add to it? A seat covered in solar panels?

Haha! Good one!
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2019, 09:02:32 PM »

Hmmm.  No $150.00 syn3 oil changes-ever.    No gas ever, no coolant,  no clutch fluid to service.    The bike might eventually pay for itself.    Might even qualify for some tax rebates?   110 miles is plenty to commute from the suburbs to the city....
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2019, 09:10:48 PM »

Hmmm.  No $150.00 syn3 oil changes-ever.    No gas ever, no coolant,  no clutch fluid to service.    The bike might eventually pay for itself.    Might even qualify for some tax rebates?   110 miles is plenty to commute from the suburbs to the city....

The $64,000 question is how much are these high-speed charging stations going to charge to charge your bike? I can tell you this, it’s not gonna be free!
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2019, 10:12:38 PM »

$30 k for what is already a middling capability electric bike asinine.  Just nuts.  And here I was thinking Harley would inhale a breath of reality and come to market with this bike in the middle teens.  For something that by definition is a fart-around-town bike I'd do the scooters that Chip has in a heartbeat before ever considering this. 
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 07:28:55 AM »

$30,000 they are nuts..
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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 07:38:08 AM »

$30,000 they are nuts..

It's a Harley  :nixweiss:
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2019, 08:20:31 AM »

I have always been interest in the Livewire.  However, with this release they have sure lost me.

Its at least 12K to expensive, if it had a 300 mile range.  I figure 300 miles, so you can go for a ride in the mountains and make it home.

With a 110 mile range its about 20K to expensive.  I could not ride to the dealer and home on a single charge.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2019, 09:53:35 AM »

Pricing an electric bike at about the same price point as several new electric cars on the market would indicate that Harley's market research was done by a less reliable method than a drunk guy throwing darts at a Marketing Research Dartboard.  Not sure who the perceived market for this limited range LiveWire at this price point would be?  Suppose in a few months when they sell some we will find out.
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2019, 10:23:04 AM »

At this price point, and with such limited range, this is going to be a flop. I could buy a used BMW R9T for $12-13k and save $17k.  Plus, have a bike I could ride more than 50 miles from home.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2019, 10:26:05 AM »

Suppose in a few months when they sell some we will find out.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe in 8-12 months the market will have a glut of "used" LiveWire bikes. By then we will have heard from owners about the major areas of complaint, comfort, ergonomics, range, lack of available upgrades,....the usual.

Maybe they'll make a "CVO LiveWaire",....let's see among us buys that,....LOL!!!
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2019, 10:59:57 AM »

I agree with Chip, to run around town scooters are the way to go. Wife and I purchased a couple of
Honda PCX 150's. We get an average 109 mpg, have storage under the seat, and the cool FUN factor!
If we wanted faster we would have gone with the same scooter's as Chip. The PCX150 will do 60mph.
We plan on doing the BRP this year on the scooters! Oh, we paid around $3100 each OTD!
  I also believe Harley is way out of line with their pricing! Competition such as the Zero is at least $10k less!
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2019, 11:11:18 AM »

That's what I was thinking. Maybe in 8-12 months the market will have a glut of "used" LiveWire bikes. By then we will have heard from owners about the major areas of complaint, comfort, ergonomics, range, lack of available upgrades,....the usual.

Maybe they'll make a "CVO LiveWaire",....let's see among us buys that,....LOL!!!

Now that's funny!!   ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2019, 11:23:46 AM »

Harley has always been proud of their prices. Ooops. I meant bikes.
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2019, 11:40:38 AM »

They're pricing in  the exhaust note 'Mashed potato mashed potato'
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2019, 12:01:26 PM »

Another point to consider with an all electric vehicle is that eventually the battery pack will need replacing and in turn how much will that cost in a new pack as well as what is cost or time to replace one.......I guess this may be the start of the "disposable" vehicle....Like them "new-fangled " smart phones where you cant replace the batteries you just throw the old one away and get new?  :huepfenlol2:
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2019, 01:37:12 PM »

I have always been interest in the Livewire.  However, with this release they have sure lost me.

Its at least 12K to expensive, if it had a 300 mile range.  I figure 300 miles, so you can go for a ride in the mountains and make it home.

With a 110 mile range its about 20K to expensive.  I could not ride to the dealer and home on a single charge.

I am sure the dealership will offer to recharge your bike for only $29.95!

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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2019, 04:00:08 PM »

Does the bike come with a charger and if so is it one you can take with you.
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2019, 04:04:20 PM »

"The LiveWire™ can be charged at any compatible charging station, or with its on-board charger and a standard household outlet.
Level 1 (standard household outlet): 13 miles range per hour of charged.
Level 2: LiveWire can be connected to a Level 2 charge unit but will be charged at the Level 1 rate.
Level 3 (DC Fast Charge): 192 miles range per hour charged."
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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2019, 04:14:08 PM »


So you can plug it in at home and you only have to charge it for about ten hours for a full charge.  Or if you are out and about and the battery goes dead, you can get a whopping 13 miles worth of "fuel" in one hour with a level 1 or level 2 charger.  I'm thinking before I take that trip to a friend's house about 50 miles away, I better find out if there is a DC Fast Charge station where he lives.  If not, I may have to stay overnight.

No thanks.  This is just another sign that the management of H-D is clueless.  $30k base price, only suitable for short haul city use, I wonder how many Uber rides you could get in that same city for $30k and not have to worry about parking and theft?

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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2019, 04:22:54 PM »

"The LiveWire™ can be charged at any compatible charging station, or with its on-board charger and a standard household outlet.
Level 1 (standard household outlet): 13 miles range per hour of charged.
Level 2: LiveWire can be connected to a Level 2 charge unit but will be charged at the Level 1 rate.
Level 3 (DC Fast Charge): 192 miles range per hour charged."
So, lets say maybe 7 hrs to charge at what watt, amperage, then cost per k/hour in your area.
Never dealt much with charging batteries, except tools. I have a neighbor with an all electric Smart car,and he plugs
his in every day after work and lets it charge overnight. I guess I'll him what it costs him, over his standard bill!
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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2019, 07:34:36 PM »

Hmmm.  No $150.00 syn3 oil changes-ever.    No gas ever, no coolant,  no clutch fluid to service.    The bike might eventually pay for itself.    Might even qualify for some tax rebates?   110 miles is plenty to commute from the suburbs to the city....
One good thing about electric vehicles. They require very little maintenance. Easier to ride, no transmission or clutch. They also last a long time with few repairs.

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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2019, 07:49:25 PM »

Here's some good info on the Livewire

 

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« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2019, 07:57:35 PM »

I filled up today @ $1.95/gallon.  Took about 3 minutes and I'm good for 350 more miles.  Let's talk when gas hits $10.
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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2019, 08:23:36 PM »

One good thing about electric vehicles. They require very little maintenance. Easier to ride, no transmission or clutch. They also last a long time with few repairs.

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« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2019, 08:40:37 PM »

Starting at 29k? What options would there be to add to it? A seat covered in solar panels?

Well duh!  You KNOW they are going to offer an "add-on" battery to get an extra 50 miles out of the range for $1000!  And dont forget your monthly subscription fee to actually get the GPS and app to work!  Bawahahaaahaaaaaa!   :P ;D
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« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2019, 08:53:55 PM »

So I watched the video posted above and it appears that if you own one of these magnificent 110 mile machines, you HAVE to add it to your mobile phone plan and pay a monthly subscription (after the first year) in order to use all the bike has to offer.  My question is this...is it like onstar where you can still use the vehicle without it or Is it like a cell phone and will NOT work without paying the monthly extortion, I mean subscription?
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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2019, 08:55:47 PM »

One good thing about electric vehicles. They require very little maintenance. Easier to ride, no transmission or clutch. They also last a long time with few repairs.

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In theory yes, but this is HD. They screw up the most basic of things. I certainly do not want to be was basically amounts to a "beta tester" for the motor company's attempt at this. Especially if that large battery between the riders legs catches fire lol
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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2019, 12:38:04 AM »

I bet the cell data service is going to have quite the hefty charge with HD marking it up as high as they can go.

Why not make the bike use Bluetooth instead?  I am sure HD will push updates through there connected services but there are other ways to push those updates.

Also, what type of information are they going to collect?  Location, speed, etc.?  I am sure they will be pulling in a wealth of information and not necessarily information riders want to share.

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Re: LIVEWIRE
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2019, 07:49:48 AM »

So, lets say maybe 7 hrs to charge at what watt, amperage, then cost per k/hour in your area.
Never dealt much with charging batteries, except tools. I have a neighbor with an all electric Smart car,and he plugs
his in every day after work and lets it charge overnight. I guess I'll him what it costs him, over his standard bill!

Somebody who owns an electric car would know the cost to charge & it will vary by area & electric rates.  It's not "free" but some areas have auto charging stations available (Whole Foods, etc.) at no cost - for now.  When electric becomes a bigger % of the cars on the road, expect those to become pay stations.
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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2019, 12:46:13 PM »

Looks pretty close to the prototype, sans a few side covers missing.

Range fell short of the proposed range though. And the price is way off what every number I heard when the tour hit the streets.

The engineers were suggesting the final bike would have a minimum of 130 mile range.
IIRC the proto had about 80 miles on low power and 45-50 miles on high power (menu setting).

And everyone suggested ti had to be under $20K

At $18K or so I would have bought one at the demo. The bike was a blast to ride - even in Manhattan.

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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2019, 06:19:31 PM »

For something that by definition is a fart-around-town bike I'd do the scooters that Chip has in a heartbeat before ever considering this.

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« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2019, 06:48:32 PM »

Burgman MSRP = $11k

I'd consider the Live Wire if pricing was comparable to a Sportster.
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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2019, 08:10:01 PM »

I filled up today @ $1.95/gallon.  Took about 3 minutes and I'm good for 350 more miles.  Let's talk when gas hits $10.


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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2019, 08:22:53 PM »

I'm not much of an electrician...can electricity sump?
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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2019, 08:44:19 PM »



Good fuel mileage

LOL that's my car, but since a Sportster can get up around 50mpg, the fuel cost savings rationale isn't very strong.
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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2019, 09:17:07 PM »

I'm not much of an electrician...can electricity sump?

You can bet the MoCo will work it into production models. Only now it will be a "feature" for that "authentic Harley feeling"   :huepfenlol2:
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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2019, 08:16:56 AM »

I'm not much of an electrician...can electricity sump?
No, but it can short, and that would be as bad as sumping.
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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2019, 10:53:43 AM »

From watching the video posted earlier, did anyone else notice how the person was singing the praises of the Showa suspension front and rear? I wonder how much of the Livewire is American made and how will that set with the diehard "made in America people"? (Showa is a Japanese company that supplies most of the import bikes with suspensions) for those who don't know.....
Then they want to talk about how economical it is, as i mentioned before I wonder how much it will cost to replace the two battery packs on the bike and how long will they last. Until some figures are released we truly won't know the cost per mile to own a Livewire.
They mentioned that the battery to operate the lights was I believe Lithium Ion and wasn't that the type of phone and computer batteries that will burst into flames by themselves? I wonder if that could happen on this bike and the shop will say "They all do that!" or will they charge extra for the "Flaming Eagle" bike.... :huepfenlol2:
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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2019, 11:06:03 AM »

There is no way for the MoCo to claim this is an economical bike to own...and keep a straight face.  The KTM Super Duke sells for $18k.  Buy a Super Duke and still have $12k left for gas.

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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2019, 06:34:46 PM »

The high speed charger for a Chevy Bolt cost a guy I know $2400.00 installed. He thinks it costs about $70/month to use if used daily. Personally I have no interest in a rechargeable mode of transportation, but i hope people buy the HD stuff and then later a larger HD. We need more folks to buy large HD's or we are going to be riding Honda's.
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« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2019, 07:40:17 PM »

No thanks...
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2019, 08:36:11 PM »

HD can shove this pos where the sun doesn't shine, along with all the other over-priced junk they make these days.
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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2019, 08:55:40 AM »

From watching the video posted earlier, did anyone else notice how the person was singing the praises of the Showa suspension front and rear? I wonder how much of the Livewire is American made and how will that set with the diehard "made in America people"? (Showa is a Japanese company that supplies most of the import bikes with suspensions) for those who don't know.....
Then they want to talk about how economical it is, as i mentioned before I wonder how much it will cost to replace the two battery packs on the bike and how long will they last. Until some figures are released we truly won't know the cost per mile to own a Livewire.
They mentioned that the battery to operate the lights was I believe Lithium Ion and wasn't that the type of phone and computer batteries that will burst into flames by themselves? I wonder if that could happen on this bike and the shop will say "They all do that!" or will they charge extra for the "Flaming Eagle" bike.... :huepfenlol2:
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« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2019, 09:25:14 AM »

Showa has been supplying HD suspension parts for decades.
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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2019, 12:11:58 PM »

Just a hunch, but it seems like this LiveWire electric bike introduction wasn't exactly met with resounding enthusiasm from most who responded here. 
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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2019, 12:30:26 PM »

You do know Showa has a suspension factory in the USA.
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And I think the forks have been made in Japan since the 70's
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« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2019, 12:32:31 PM »

Still think $30k is a bit much for an oversized RC bike.

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZlTsoj0Hc
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« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2019, 04:53:18 PM »

I know, it's a start. It's a way to ring in the new era. It's a way to jump into the future.

But it's also going to take me 3.5 days to ride from San Francisco to LA, something that my current bike can do in less than one. And at $30k, that's a lot of tickets on SouthWest Airlines.
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« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2019, 07:47:55 AM »

Good story...
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« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2019, 08:41:25 AM »

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/01/14/no-juice-for-harley-davidsons-turnaround-livewire.aspx
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« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2019, 08:51:21 AM »

HD gas/traditional sales are dropping & this new electric bike appears to be another overpriced for the market boondoggle.  Am expecting to see some dealer fallout sooner than later. 
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« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2019, 10:46:28 AM »

Wouldn't HD have been better off buying Zero Motorcycles?  Sounds like Zero is way ahead in technology and pricing.  People interested in buying an electric bike are not going to pay thousands more, and get less, just because there's a Harley Davidson emblem on the tank.
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« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2019, 11:05:22 AM »

Wouldn't HD have been better off buying Zero Motorcycles?  Sounds like Zero is way ahead in technology and pricing.  People interested in buying an electric bike are not going to pay thousands more, and get less, just because there's a Harley Davidson emblem on the tank.
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« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2019, 12:32:17 PM »

I agree with the article, with (tax, license & shipping) here in Cali that's around 33.5K!  Add in mark-up.....35K plus!  Cool looking bike but price & range kill it.
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« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2019, 11:42:18 PM »


 Want to bet on that?


The larger community of people interested in electric motorcycles are not Harley's shrinking (numerically and not as in waist size) consumer base.  The community of people interested in electric bikes have rather obvious and well defined requirements.  Small range (compared to other products) and a devastatingly high price tag are not within their requirements. 

Whodathunk with all the fanfare over such an extended period that Harley wasn't really taking LiveWire seriously?  Or that Mother Harley couldn't get out of her own way enough to realize that CVO Ultra buyer's logic (illogic) could not be applied to a plug in urban scooter?  As released so far, however, Harley has royally screwed the pooch with JiveWire.
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« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2019, 07:45:02 PM »

Another player in the electric game.  Lightning Motorcycles.  The bike in the pic has a top speed of 218 mph.
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« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2019, 07:52:20 PM »

Lightning Motorcycles will be introducing an entry level e-bike, the Strike, in March '19.  No pics yet, but this is from their website:
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« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2019, 08:21:17 PM »

Lightning Motorcycles will be introducing an entry level e-bike, the Strike, in March '19.  No pics yet, but this is from their website:
Read about that bike earlier... 150 mile range, 150 mph, 35 min DC charge, $12,998 starting price

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« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2019, 09:08:07 PM »



I guess Valerie Bertinelli is off the Jenny Craig program
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« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2019, 07:28:34 AM »

Harley should just stop their electric bike. It's dead right out of the gate...
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« Reply #75 on: January 18, 2019, 08:33:55 AM »

I guess Valerie Bertinelli is off the Jenny Craig program

Hey Chuck, that's not Valerie.  It does look like her but it's actually the actress Emma Stone...

As for the Livewire, not for me.  Dave said it in an earlier post but I'm in the same boat.  Where I live, I'd be needing a charge just to ride to the dealer for a visit.  A neighbor up the road has an electric dirt bike he rides regularly.  It has an 80 mile range and cost him around 10 grand.  He loves it for what he rides it for (back roads and some trails around the area).  Not that I'm anywhere close to an electric motorcycle (or car) but the neighbor's ride make a whole lot more sense to me than the overpriced, under watt, low range Livewire.  This episode with the Livewire reminds me of the GM debacle of the Volt.  If I remember correctly, it took GM a few years to release the Volt from show to showroom and by that time, there were so many more options it fell flat...and if not for the G'vment tax credits, would probably not have sold at all at the mid to upper 30K range.
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« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2019, 08:42:13 AM »

Read about that bike earlier... 150 mile range, 150 mph, 35 min DC charge, $12,998 starting price

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« Reply #77 on: January 18, 2019, 09:02:30 AM »

After a second look I see it's not Val. I guess it was wishful thinking. She made me pitch a tent back in the day on One Day At A Time
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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2019, 09:53:47 PM »

Little company in Birmingham, Alabama, (formerly Confederate Cycles) teamed up with Zero Motorcycles and is getting 280 miles per charge on a 190hp (equivalent) bike, granted it’s $60,000, but I think it speaks to the thought that maybe Harley hasn’t completely bought in to the electric craze and may not be willing to put in the R&D $ in order to make it a real motorcycle without seeing if it is going to sell first.

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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2019, 11:09:00 AM »

I'd suggest this upstart company make a preemptive strike and file for bankruptcy now...go ahead and get it out of the way early.  That's the ugliest thing I've seen in the e-bike arena...and for $60k.  How long could you sit on that seat...certainly not 280 miles.  Looks like something left over from the Star Wars set.
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« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2019, 02:09:18 PM »

I'd suggest this upstart company make a preemptive strike and file for bankruptcy now...go ahead and get it out of the way early.  That's the ugliest thing I've seen in the e-bike arena...and for $60k.  How long could you sit on that seat...certainly not 280 miles.  Looks like something left over from the Star Wars set.

Maybe HD could buy the company.  It would speed up the release of their overpriced black version.

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« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2019, 02:45:00 PM »


For those who think the range is way too short, you forgot how Harley has done things for the past thirty to forty years.  After you bought their overpriced and under-performing motorcyles, you had to go to the Screamin' Eagle catalog and buy all the "upgrades" to fix the shortcomings of the stock bike.  The fact that the competition already came with better specs stock and at a lower price didn't matter to the faithful.  I'm sure the Livewire will have a dedicated section in the SE catalog where customers can spend many thousands of dollars on items to make the bike useable.  One item will be a large spring operated reel containing a SE heavy duty extension cord.  Plug in and ride until the cord is fully extended, stop and hit the retract button, wait for the cord to self wind onto the reel, find a new outlet, plug in, and take off again.  Don't need no high tech chit when low tech is still available from your favorite motorcycle company.

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« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2019, 02:47:19 PM »

I'd suggest this upstart company make a preemptive strike and file for bankruptcy now...go ahead and get it out of the way early.  That's the ugliest thing I've seen in the e-bike arena...and for $60k.  How long could you sit on that seat...certainly not 280 miles.  Looks like something left over from the Star Wars set.

While the company name and entry into e-bikes is new, they have been building motorcycles for quite a while under the name Confederate which was located in Southern Louisiana prior to hurricane Katrina.  After their facility there was destroyed, they moved to Birmingham.  Previously, they built high-end bikes with massive v-twins and sold them to celebrities and anyone else with more $ than sense.  They decided to change their name (political correctness strikes again) to Curtiss which is kind of a goofy name for a motorcycle company but I get the history there. Considering their v-twin bikes were priced well over $100,000, their target market (rich folks who don’t buy bikes to ride) would consider $60,000 a bargain.  Who knows if they will make it or not but then again who’d a thought they’d ever make it selling v-twins for over $100,000.
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« Reply #86 on: February 07, 2019, 10:03:17 PM »

HD better put the hammer down on this....cause gas is going to be illegal in 10 years!
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« Reply #87 on: February 07, 2019, 10:20:27 PM »

HD better put the hammer down on this....cause gas is going to be illegal in six years!

Just like incandescent light bulbs... ;D
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« Reply #88 on: February 07, 2019, 10:22:32 PM »

Just like incandescent light bulbs... ;D


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« Reply #89 on: February 07, 2019, 11:08:18 PM »

Thats not even 1 trip around the damn island!
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« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2019, 10:17:42 AM »

Thats not even 1 trip around the damn island!


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« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2019, 11:41:07 AM »

Thats not even 1 trip around the damn island!

Or for some of us, a one way OR round trip to the closest dealer (or at least the closest dealer you use trust).  If it was $20,000, I'd still not see it being a big seller.  Maybe at $10K to $15K?  Still not for me.
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« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2019, 05:15:02 PM »

If I get one I’ll still swap out the lifters.....or would it be brushes or winding, hell I don’t know but I’d change something!  You have to...It’s a Harley!

Upgrade the gigahertz or the electrolytic capacitors

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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2019, 06:01:54 PM »

If I get one I’ll still swap out the lifters.....or would it be brushes or winding, hell I don’t know but I’d change something!  You have to...It’s a Harley!

Upgrade the gigahertz or the electrolytic capacitors

Having fun now Boys!


You can always change out the Flux Capacitor, but I don't think S&S makes one yet!

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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2019, 07:09:15 PM »


You can always change out the Flux Capacitor, but I don't think S&S makes one yet!

Don’t know what it is or what it does, but it looks cool and bet it goes fast!
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« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2019, 07:15:37 PM »

Don’t know what it is or what it does, but it looks cool and bet it goes fast!



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« Reply #96 on: February 09, 2019, 08:28:47 AM »

Just like incandescent light bulbs... ;D

Thanks for throwing salt on my wound with THAT one Haird! lol. I always kept a clear 150 watt incandescent bulb in my dartboard light in the garage. Worked awesome for throwing darts or any project I would be working on at the time that needed some extra light. Those bulbs were pretty cheap so I always kept a couple spares on-hand.

Well, my last spare blew on me the other day. I go to Home Depot and NOT ONE to be found in the whole aisle of bulbs! A complete joke what this world is turning into .... What used to cost me I think a couple bucks at most turned into 10 bucks for it's replacement .... a stupid LED 150 watt FLOODLIGHT. I'm still afraid to open it in fear of how much more pissed-off I will get when I find out I'll be getting shafted twice .... I was so pissed!

Don't get me started on the two current 100 w CFL bulbs in my garage ceiling now over a year old which are also no longer made! .... and the fluorescent bulb that blew in the hood over our stove that had to be replaced with a LED bulb that DID NOT work!  :soapbox:
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« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2019, 12:16:32 AM »


You can always change out the Flux Capacitor, but I don't think S&S makes one yet!

Not yet.

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« Reply #98 on: February 14, 2019, 12:55:37 AM »


Even worse for you is that you'd have to get the special water proofed Screamin' Eagle extension cord !

I'll just tow that Honda EU2000 generator re-branded as a Screamin' Eagle Generator!
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« Reply #100 on: February 25, 2019, 08:03:23 PM »

That Zero looks cool.
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« Reply #101 on: February 25, 2019, 10:31:31 PM »

Agree, & Zero looks like they have done their homework.
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« Reply #102 on: February 26, 2019, 08:10:47 PM »

Looks like Harley did not pay attention to the Competition.  The Zero cost way less money, has 1.5 times the range and does a quick charge in way less time then the Harley.   I can not think of one intelligent reason to choose the Livewire over the Zero
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« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2019, 03:07:42 AM »

Let’s hope HD does not pull a Buell on Zero.

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« Reply #104 on: February 27, 2019, 08:36:10 PM »

Let’s hope HD does not pull a Buell on Zero.

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« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2019, 10:52:05 AM »

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« Reply #106 on: March 30, 2019, 12:14:03 PM »

All dealers do not have to participate with the Livewire sales. From what I understand it's by choice.
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« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2019, 08:28:44 PM »

I see it as a Hard sell item in my area.  I could not ride from my house to dealer and back home with out a charge.  Also its 10K more then a Zero which has a greater range, a quicker charge time.

Sad thing is I want an electric bike.  They just have to get some usable range and better charge times. And in Harleys case, a price more in line with its competition. 
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« Reply #108 on: April 10, 2019, 02:35:14 PM »

And then there's this, the Japanese makers working together to solve an issue.

https://advrider.com/honda-yamaha-kawasaki-suzuki-team-up-on-battery-bike-tech/

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« Reply #109 on: April 10, 2019, 03:20:04 PM »

And then there's this, the Japanese makers working together to solve an issue.

https://advrider.com/honda-yamaha-kawasaki-suzuki-team-up-on-battery-bike-tech/

Can you imagine the MoCo and Indian working together and sharing proprietary information?

Nope...

However, the idea of the big 4 working together on a standardized battery and design is very significant.  They can share battery and mount information keeping the design simple and the same for all 4 brands.  It would allow the battery-swap locations to only have to carry 1 design instead of 4 (or more) type/size/shape of battery.  They wouldn't have to share bike and/or equipment designs, just battery tech.

I like the battery swap idea much better than the 1/2 to 1 hour recharge deal.  Will it move me to an electric bike?  Nope...but it will allow for many others that may have been on the fence to purchase one.  Dealer networking would be a hurdle.

Too bad the MoCo can't do that with their Livewire with all the HD dealers/t-shirt stores on every corner.  With this design, one could possibly ride across country with an electric bike much faster and without as much worry on recharge locations... :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #110 on: April 10, 2019, 03:28:47 PM »

I like the battery swap idea much better than the 1/2 to 1 hour recharge deal. 

And depending on the size and weight of the battery, a well prepared rider might be able to pack an extra one for those long stretches.
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