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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2018, 10:42:14 PM »

Friendship of Bristol Indian (VA) offers lifetime warranty on there engines and drivetrain and you can do your own service work, just keep the receipts of the oils and filters you buy. Now thats a good deal there !!

Yes, Bristol and Savannah are the same owners.
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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2018, 08:14:36 PM »

I haven’t had one problem with my 19 and I cruise for hrs at between 80-90. Sorry you are so disgruntled


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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2018, 11:18:47 PM »

I haven’t had one problem with my 19 and I cruise for hrs at between 80-90. Sorry you are so disgruntled


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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2018, 01:41:10 PM »

I love hearing that!

Me too.

Another point regarding the BMW vs Harley complaints is the number of sales. Does Harley sale more bikes than BMW?

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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2018, 01:10:45 AM »

Me too.

Another point regarding the BMW vs Harley complaints is the number of sales. Does Harley sale more bikes than BMW?

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Harley sells the same quantity of bikes in weeks that BMW sells in a year. Certainly not talking trash about BMW as I love my new Grand America, that's just a fact.
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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2018, 07:57:06 AM »

I haven’t had one problem with my 19 and I cruise for hrs at between 80-90. Sorry you are so disgruntled


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I did many miles out west with cruise at 85 mph on my 18 CVO Road Glide this summer.  Only one time did it feel like it was loosing any power (sign of sumping)  That was after a couple hard accelerations to get around some idiot, it was 98 degrees out and I hit 100 + a couple time.  Once I settled back in at 85 for a bit it felt normal again.  Couldn't get it to feel like that again in the next 8K miles.
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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2018, 12:00:04 PM »

Harley sells the same quantity of bikes in weeks that BMW sells in a year. Certainly not talking trash about BMW as I love my new Grand America, that's just a fact.

That might be true for US sales but definitely not for global sales.

- In 2017 BMW sold 164,000 motorcycles globally which was a 13.2% INCREASE over 2016 unit sales globally (7th year in a row of sales growth). This was there greatest annual growth ever for BMW motorcycles with projected strong growth for 2018 according to their financial reports.

- By comparison, Harley sold 243,000 motorcycles globally in 2017 which was a 7.5% DECREASE over 2016 unit sales globally. This was the 4th year of annual sales decline for Harley with a significant further decline projected in unit sales for 2018 according to their financial reports.
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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #67 on: December 28, 2018, 08:55:28 AM »


Assuming they can get EPA and NHTSA to look the other way, perhaps they can fix their oiling system problem by reaching back in their history and incorporating a constant loss system.  No more worries about sumping or oil changes or oil temps; just remember to keep the tank filled.  Oh, and make sure the drain tube isn't located in front of the rear tire.

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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2019, 03:13:51 AM »

Not happy, my 2019 CVO SG decided to sump today with 6000km's on the clock.

Currently at a regional dealership as we were touring and are 1000km from home.

Hope to get some answers tomorrow.
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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2019, 08:28:39 AM »

I haven’t had one problem with my 19 and I cruise for hrs at between 80-90. Sorry you are so disgruntled


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Road speed seems to have nothing to do with sumping; the many reports I've read seem to involve sustained higher rpm's when engaging in a more "sporting" riding style.  I don't think I've seen anyone claim they sumped just cruising down the highway at 2000 - 3000 rpm.  :nixweiss:

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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2019, 10:42:24 AM »

Road speed seems to have nothing to do with sumping; the many reports I've read seem to involve sustained higher rpm's when engaging in a more "sporting" riding style.  I don't think I've seen anyone claim they sumped just cruising down the highway at 2000 - 3000 rpm.  :nixweiss:

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I have a customer who's bike has sumped twice at cruise. The first time he had the cruise control set 75 MPH and the ECM slowly rolled the throttle to wide open as the engine lost power in an effort to maintain the setting. It went unnoticed until it was pinging and losing speed. By then the motor was toast. The second time he recognized the symptoms and pulled over, let it idle as I had instructed, it re-primed, cleared the sump and he was on his way. Most of the time this man is beating the hell out of. Never had an issue until he slows down to legal speeds? I just put an S+S triple rotor pump in it. Is it fixed? I wouldn't bet on it.

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Re: Sumping, should the MoCo be looking elsewhere??
« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2019, 08:35:46 AM »

I have a customer who's bike has sumped twice at cruise. The first time he had the cruise control set 75 MPH and the ECM slowly rolled the throttle to wide open as the engine lost power in an effort to maintain the setting. It went unnoticed until it was pinging and losing speed. By then the motor was toast. The second time he recognized the symptoms and pulled over, let it idle as I had instructed, it re-primed, cleared the sump and he was on his way. Most of the time this man is beating the hell out of. Never had an issue until he slows down to legal speeds? I just put an S+S triple rotor pump in it. Is it fixed? I wouldn't bet on it.

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My 18 sumped once.  I knew what sumping was and how it would feel.  So like you said, I pulled over let it idle while up right, not on stand in and a few minutes got back on road, it had cleared.

S&S claims they have not heard of a bike sumping with their triple rotor pump.  I was asking about it at bike week.  They would not say it would fix sumping, or cure it.  They would only state they have not heard of a bike with their pump sumping.
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