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« on: August 20, 2019, 09:04:58 AM »

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Re: 2020
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2019, 10:54:14 AM »

In my opinion that is some ugly paint colors.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2019, 11:01:32 AM »

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Re: 2020
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2019, 01:01:00 PM »

The blue one looks like it was influenced by AMF, or maybe it was an old color pattern they never got around to.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2019, 07:02:54 PM »

The blue one reminds me of a special color you could get on an ‘09 SG and a color on the ‘10 Ultra Limited.. it will be interesting to see them in person.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2019, 07:05:33 PM »

To my eyes there's nothing especially "ugly" about the color.  But it's some pretty boring graphics design packages.  Just my tastes of course but I like the CVO schemes better when they're bold; when they stand out and say "look at me bitch."
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Re: 2020
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2019, 08:17:50 PM »

Pretty uninspiring bunch of bikes.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2019, 08:23:01 PM »

Not sure what the material is but the blue one appears to have aluminum looking engine covers, pipes and forks.  Kind of strange because it has the appearance of the polished covers that used to come on the Electra Glide and Softail standards but is on a bike with a premium price, haha!  The next thing you know they’ll be replacing all the chrome with much cheaper black painted parts and charge a premium for it.  Hey, wait just a minute...
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Re: 2020
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2019, 09:10:35 PM »

Well, Jock is due for a new bike this year. Which one will it be?
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Re: 2020
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2019, 11:32:52 PM »

Looks like they hired Stevie Wonder to design the CVO graphics and colors. I can strike any 2020 HD off of my shopping list.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2019, 11:06:28 AM »

Looks to me like HD is putting all their work into the E bikes.  The regular Ultra Limited has much better colors then the CVO limited. The blue one is definitely an AMF paint job.  I just don't get what the motor co. is thinking, and who is running the CVO program. I would advise anyone to hold on the a CVO with chrome, as it seems to be a thing of the past.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2019, 12:21:20 PM »

I agree where is the chrome....
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Re: 2020
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2019, 06:06:24 PM »

The HD 2020s are off my shopping list. If Indian’s new 2020 120hp water-cooled Challenger touring bike is half as good as the rumors, I’ll be adding a new motorcycle brand to my garage this Fall. With the $15k I save over a CVO (without losing any features plus gaining a few HD doesn’t even offer), I can get whatever custom paint I want.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2019, 01:14:06 PM »

 Was going to buy a new one this year, but no way with these awful colors, its beyond me why the colors are so boring, who is the person that picks them, a honda employee
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Re: 2020
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2019, 08:48:23 PM »

Have a 2017 CVO Limited and because I do 15-18000 miles a year, I wanted to trade on a 2019 but hate the black chrome and wasn't crazy in love with the Auburn Sunglo/ Black hole one so decided to wait until the 2020s.  Blahhhhh!  Two blacked out and the two tone blue.  Was going to ride to York next week to see the blue in person to see if I might like it better in person.  Then I noticed the chrome looks like someone waxed it with a chocolate bar.  Some brushed or satin chrome or something.  No way.  So took a 2nd look at the 2019 Auburn sunglow one and decided on it. Not my fav color I've seen but can live with and afraid until next year my 2017 would have way too many miles to get money out of.    Cked with three dealers and prices varied 9000 bucks on what they wanted. Wow, so it was my local dealer that gave me a killer deal. Now they will get one on dealer trade.   
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Re: 2020
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2019, 06:09:01 AM »

Yawn...
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Re: 2020
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2019, 10:01:50 AM »

Yawn...


...spelled backwards is nway.

The important question then becomes........ "how much does an nway?"
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The important question then becomes........ "how much does an nway?"

About 4 or 5 pounds unless it's on the Weight Watchers diet.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2019, 02:12:18 PM »

About 4 or 5 pounds unless it's on the Weight Watchers diet.


What if its a capital N ?
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2019, 02:29:41 PM »


What if its a capital N ?

Metric or English weight system?   :nixweiss:

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2019, 03:18:12 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2019, 07:26:48 AM »

Ok, then biometric.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2019, 10:48:28 PM »

Finally saw the blue CVO Limited in person this past weekend and WOW, What a disappointment!  Whatever that aluminum-Ish finish is looks way worse in person.  There was a denim black and silver limited sitting next to it and to me it looked way batter than the over-priced CVO! Im sure they’ll sell them but if they were priced the same, There is no way I’d pick the CVO much less pay a premium for it.  No offense to anyone that has purchased one...just my opinion.
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2019, 08:41:21 PM »

Finally saw the blue CVO Limited in person this past weekend and WOW, What a disappointment!  Whatever that aluminum-Ish finish is looks way worse in person.  There was a denim black and silver limited sitting next to it and to me it looked way batter than the over-priced CVO! Im sure they’ll sell them but if they were priced the same, There is no way I’d pick the CVO much less pay a premium for it.  No offense to anyone that has purchased one...just my opinion.


They call it Satin Chrome. It was time for a change (for me anyway) to get away from all the chrome. So I got the blue CVO Limited last week.
It's funny, just this past week, I've gotten more positive comments about this bike than my last 2 Harley Limiteds.
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2019, 09:53:18 PM »


They call it Satin Chrome. It was time for a change (for me anyway) to get away from all the chrome. So I got the blue CVO Limited last week.
It's funny, just this past week, I've gotten more positive comments about this bike than my last 2 Harley Limiteds.

Congratulations! I like the look of that bike.


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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2019, 09:37:26 AM »

Metric or English weight system?   :nixweiss:


I say a Rooster looks good in any color even black n white :drink: No chrome needed
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2019, 04:07:56 AM »

I say a Rooster looks good in any color even black n white :drink: No chrome needed

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Re: 2020
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2019, 07:29:58 AM »

The blue one looks like it was influenced by AMF, or maybe it was an old color pattern they never got around to.

I too immediately thought of AMF when I first saw the blue one... Must be the graphics and colours.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2019, 08:18:49 AM »

Finally saw the blue CVO Limited in person this past weekend and WOW, What a disappointment!  Whatever that aluminum-Ish finish is looks way worse in person.  There was a denim black and silver limited sitting next to it and to me it looked way batter than the over-priced CVO! Im sure they’ll sell them but if they were priced the same, There is no way I’d pick the CVO much less pay a premium for it.  No offense to anyone that has purchased one...just my opinion.

I agree with your assessment of the blue 2020 CVO Limited. Lots of small brackets and exhaust tip are chrome. While the larger exhaust, heads, TP rack and tank bezel are satin silver.

To my eye it looks cobbled together to save money on chrome plating. I don’t want to offend anyone but it just looks cheap. Just another attempt to save money by replacing chrome with paint. It just looks too much like rattle-can satin silver spray paint to me.

Can’t imagine how shabby and dinged up that paint will look in a few short years compared to the much harder chrome plating. Chrome was used in those areas for a reason. Because exhaust, TP rack, tank bezel and heads get abuse from heat, road dirt and use. That paint will simply never hold up like chrome.

With all the other things they have taken from the CVOs while raising prices, I’m afraid this is just not going to end well for the MoCo.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2019, 08:47:46 AM »

To my eye it looks cobbled together to save money on chrome plating. I don’t want to offend anyone but it just looks cheap. Just another attempt to save money by replacing chrome with paint. It just looks too much like rattle-can satin silver spray paint to me.

Can’t imagine how shabby and dinged up that paint will look in a few short years compared to the much harder chrome plating. Chrome was used in those areas for a reason. Because exhaust, TP rack, tank bezel and heads get abuse from heat, road dirt and use. That paint will simply never hold up like chrome.

With all the other things they have taken from the CVOs while raising prices, I’m afraid this is just not going to end well for the MoCo.

I haven't seen this bike in person yet, but while your assessment regarding the durability of the satin finish may be correct, it may not be, either, and time will tell which is true.

Regarding the look, based on the pictures, I think it looks interesting, and I much prefer the satin to the black or the black chrome H-D has been using elsewhere.

It seems to me that whoever is designing these bikes lately is interested in expanding the definition of what H-D bikes are from a design language perspective. Attempting to get out of the same old paint/chrome (and more chrome and more chrome) lane they've been in for decades. While I'm personally a fan of chrome, it's important to try new things and I respect the effort being made.

I'd never buy a black chrome H-D, but if the Sand Dune CVO Limited were chrome instead of black, I'd buy it today. I might still buy it if it were offered in satin like the blue one.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2019, 09:17:03 AM »

I like chrome...

However, some of the newer finishes do look good depending on the bike color.  The '12 Skunk combo did and still does look very nice with the blacked out trim (although the exhaust is still chrome stock...I've seen the black chrome on it and that looks very nice with that color combo).

While they look good in the showroom and may continue to look good for those that ride their bikes from bar to bar OR house to Harley shop and back home with the occasional toy run thrown in, the folks that actually buy them to ride may have issues.  I know the shiny black trim on the Skunks and others do not hold up as well with all the heat (they can cloud up) and I would really hate to be faced with cleaning baked on bug guts and tar nips off anything but chrome pipes.  If you have ridden through a bug cloud and then had to clean that front header pipe, you know what I mean

Again, it's a current fad in the automotive and bike world and if that's what you like, this is definitely your time to buy.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2019, 09:45:45 AM »

I haven't seen this bike in person yet, but while your assessment regarding the durability of the satin finish may be correct, it may not be, either, and time will tell which is true.

Regarding the look, based on the pictures, I think it looks interesting, and I much prefer the satin to the black or the black chrome H-D has been using elsewhere.

It seems to me that whoever is designing these bikes lately is interested in expanding the definition of what H-D bikes are from a design language perspective. Attempting to get out of the same old paint/chrome (and more chrome and more chrome) lane they've been in for decades. While I'm personally a fan of chrome, it's important to try new things and I respect the effort being made.

I'd never buy a black chrome H-D, but if the Sand Dune CVO Limited were chrome instead of black, I'd buy it today. I might still buy it if it were offered in satin like the blue one.

It might be just a coincidence but I don't think so. Harley had 20 years of annual growth from the late 90's to around 2014. Every year and almost every qtr compared to the same qtr a year before. Then the current CEO was put in power about the same time sales turned south. The launch of the M8 occurred in the Fall of 2016. Every year since 2015 has been worse for sales and profit than the prior year. And that's during a booming US economy that has set records for employment and income. Can't even imagine how ugly it could get if we enter an economic recession.

BMW, Honda and even Indian have either grown their business every year since around 2014 or at least not lost ground while Harley falls lower every year.

Is it just a coincidence that the sales have declined under the current leadership with the latest bike designs intended to reduce content and "black out" bikes with less and less chrome? Personally I think the current Company leadership, latest "murdered" bike designs, boring paint graphics, significant price increases and lack of innovation are directly related to HD's 6 straight years of declining sales.

Aging out loyal customers is merely an excuse for bad designs that simply aren't of interest to new riders. More guys turn 40, 50 and 60 yrs old than phase out of motorcycling each year and this should be HD's target audience for selling premium priced motorcycles. Instead they are chasing millenials that have no money in the bank. Based on the current business performance, the current strategy to sell Harleys has failed. IMO, it's time for a new strategy and new leadership.
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Re: 2020
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2019, 10:12:51 AM »

It might be just a coincidence but I don't think so. Harley had 20 years of annual growth from the late 90's to around 2014. Every year and almost every qtr compared to the same qtr a year before. Then the current CEO was put in power about the same time sales turned south. The launch of the M8 occurred in the Fall of 2016. Every year since 2015 has been worse for sales and profit than the prior year. And that's during a booming US economy that has set records for employment and income. Can't even imagine how ugly it could get if we enter an economic recession.

BMW, Honda and even Indian have either grown their business every year since around 2014 or at least not lost ground while Harley falls lower every year.

Is it just a coincidence that the sales have declined under the current leadership with the latest bike designs intended to reduce content and "black out" bikes with less and less chrome? Personally I think the current Company leadership, latest "murdered" bike designs, boring paint graphics, significant price increases and lack of innovation are directly related to HD's 6 straight years of declining sales.

You could be right. However, at least as it pertains to the US market, another thing is occurring that's probably having a significant impact, as well, and that's the fact that the Boomer generation began entering retirement beginning right around 2011. Those born in 1953/54 or thereabouts are retiring now and are the leading edge of the largest group of boomers, who will hit 65 over the next 6-7 years. Whether retired, retiring, or trying to figure out how to afford to retire, it means significant life changes and less disposable income among the group most attracted to H-D bikes.

H-D should have invested in assisted living, perhaps....
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Re: 2020
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2019, 11:23:10 AM »

You could be right. However, at least as it pertains to the US market, another thing is occurring that's probably having a significant impact, as well, and that's the fact that the Boomer generation began entering retirement beginning right around 2011. Those born in 1953/54 or thereabouts are retiring now and are the leading edge of the largest group of boomers, who will hit 65 over the next 6-7 years. Whether retired, retiring, or trying to figure out how to afford to retire, it means significant life changes and less disposable income among the group most attracted to H-D bikes.

H-D should have invested in assisted living, perhaps....

Very true but there are far more younger guys coming into their prime income and "time available" years than there are baby boomers retiring. Its not like the younger generations are all just dying off at 40. I don't get the whole excuse about baby boomers retiring. If Harley was making bikes that people wanted to buy at a price they could afford, Harley's would be flying out of the dealerships in this economy.
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2019, 11:29:44 AM »

Very true but there are far more younger guys coming into their prime income and "time available" years than there are baby boomers retiring. Its not like the younger generations are all just dying off at 40. I don't get the whole excuse about baby boomers retiring. If Harley was making bikes that people wanted to buy at a price they could afford, Harley's would be flying out of the dealerships in this economy.

There were nearly 1,000,000 FEWER births in the US in 1975 vs 1954....
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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2019, 12:05:27 PM »

And many millions more that have immigrated to the US. The overall population of the US has more than doubled since the avg baby boomer was born.

There are 75 million baby boomers (1947-65). But 80+ million Millennials  (25-37 yrs old today). There's no US economic or population reasons that can explain the decline in Harley sales, at least in the US. The decline can only be related to some combination of product strategy, quality, pricing and leadership.
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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2019, 12:05:57 PM »


Aging out loyal customers is merely an excuse for bad designs that simply aren't of interest to new riders. More guys turn 40, 50 and 60 yrs old than phase out of motorcycling each year and this should be HD's target audience for selling premium priced motorcycles. Instead they are chasing millenials that have no money in the bank. Based on the current business performance, the current strategy to sell Harleys has failed. IMO, it's time for a new strategy and new leadership.

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2019, 12:33:10 PM »

And many millions more that have immigrated to the US. The overall population of the US has more than doubled since the avg baby boomer was born.

There are 75 million baby boomers (1947-65). But 80+ million Millennials  (25-37 yrs old today). There's no US economic or population reasons that can explain the decline in Harley sales, at least in the US. The decline can only be related to some combination of product strategy, quality, pricing and leadership.

If Haitian, Honduran, Somalian and Syrian immigrants bought Harley CVOs, I’d agree with you! LOL.


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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2019, 08:36:59 PM »

I too immediately thought of AMF when I first saw the blue one... Must be the graphics and colours.


I wasn't riding M/C's during the AMF/Harley years, so the colors from back then mean nothing to me.
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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2019, 11:28:46 AM »

And many millions more that have immigrated to the US. The overall population of the US has more than doubled since the avg baby boomer was born.

There are 75 million baby boomers (1947-65). But 80+ million Millennials  (25-37 yrs old today). There's no US economic or population reasons that can explain the decline in Harley sales, at least in the US. The decline can only be related to some combination of product strategy, quality, pricing and leadership.
Sadly I agree. Harley rider for 28 years, purchased 12 new Harley's during those years and still like them.

In 2018 I decided to buy a bike. As usual looked hard at the Road Glide, checked out all the features and specs. About the same time BMW came out with the K1600B or Bagger. Took the bike for a test ride and was blown away. The features exceeded a CVO along with performance, ride and handling. Liked the styling too, so I bought one.

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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2019, 10:09:21 PM »

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Local dealer has one of these in stock (dark grey) and I have to say, It's a damn good looking bike in person. :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2019, 01:11:31 AM »

Local dealer has one of these in stock (dark grey) and I have to say, It's a damn good looking bike in person. :2vrolijk_21:
They perform, ride and handle far better than they look. I agree they look good but it's the ride that sold me. Comes down to how you ride and what's most important. If riding freeways is most of what you do, stick with Harley's. If you enjoy two lanes, some highways and freeways as needed, you can't beat the B. The 6cyl is in a class by itself.

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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2019, 07:14:59 AM »

They perform, ride and handle far better than they look. I agree they look good but it's the ride that sold me. Comes down to how you ride and what's most important. If riding freeways is most of what you do, stick with Harley's. If you enjoy two lanes, some highways and freeways as needed, you can't beat the B. The 6cyl is in a class by itself.

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« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2019, 08:14:00 AM »

You're starting to remind me of J&M John. Every comment He makes is pushing His stereo equipment while every comment you make is touting your love for BMW, Indian or anything not HD. Yes you've bought "X" new HD over your "X" number of years of riding, good for you. We're happy for you. A more appropriate comment might have been something along the lines of " I do/do not like the new paint/designs  this year.
Actually; I do like Harleys, very much. Just a different experience. You can actually enjoy more than one type of motorcycle. The facts are that different manufacturers build bikes that excell in different ways.

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Re: 2020
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2019, 09:26:11 AM »

Local dealer has one of these in stock (dark grey) and I have to say, It's a damn good looking bike in person. :2vrolijk_21:
I seen them all at world HD in okc, and yes they are sharp. there is a blue one running the hills around my neck of the woods.... very NICE looking bike.  im holding out for the next RGU with a 6 cyl.  LOL
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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2019, 08:00:50 PM »

Local dealer has one of these in stock (dark grey) and I have to say, It's a damn good looking bike in person. :2vrolijk_21:

Mike if I don't find myself a garage queen this winter, that gray may be my next ride.
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« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2019, 08:12:39 PM »

Mike if I don't find myself a garage queen this winter, that gray may be my next ride.
I was really impressed with it in person. That new seat looks real comfy also with that extra pad on it.

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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2019, 11:56:29 PM »

Actually; I do like Harleys, very much. Just a different experience. You can actually enjoy more than one type of motorcycle. The facts are that different manufacturers build bikes that excell in different ways.

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Due to my battle with Harley on my 17 CVO Streetglide thinking I was going to have to go down the "legal road" to get them to buy back the bike I ended up with both a 19 CVO Roadglide (Harley finally did the right thing) and a 19 BMW Bagger (Grand America) last October. love both bikes for different reasons and currently have 12500 miles on the BMW and 13200 on the Harley. Only get to ride on weekends so ride one on Sat and other on Sun. Totally different bikes with different strengths and weaknesses. IMHO they compliment each other perfectly. Everyone asks me same question-which one do I like more and my answer is always the the one I am riding that day!
The connectivity on the Harley with Apple Play is terrific (horrible on the BMW..) and obviously the performance on the BMW is terrific. I put exactly same audio system on both (much more difficult to do on BMW) so at least I dont have to worry about that!
I just flat out absolutely love riding motorcycles and have since I was a kid. Not unusual for me to do 800-900 miles a weekend. oh yea, also have a 12 CVO Roadglide with a S&S 124 that has around 70,000 miles that also gets thrown in the weekend mix as well.
yes I am a motorcycle junkie that spends just about every dime I have on my bikes and love every minute. Really could care less which manufacturer makes it if it fits "my style"!
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« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2019, 12:12:14 AM »

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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2019, 12:35:52 AM »

Due to my battle with Harley on my 17 CVO Streetglide thinking I was going to have to go down the "legal road" to get them to buy back the bike I ended up with both a 19 CVO Roadglide (Harley finally did the right thing) and a 19 BMW Bagger (Grand America) last October. love both bikes for different reasons and currently have 12500 miles on the BMW and 13200 on the Harley. Only get to ride on weekends so ride one on Sat and other on Sun. Totally different bikes with different strengths and weaknesses. IMHO they compliment each other perfectly. Everyone asks me same question-which one do I like more and my answer is always the the one I am riding that day!
The connectivity on the Harley with Apple Play is terrific (horrible on the BMW..) and obviously the performance on the BMW is terrific. I put exactly same audio system on both (much more difficult to do on BMW) so at least I dont have to worry about that!
I just flat out absolutely love riding motorcycles and have since I was a kid. Not unusual for me to do 800-900 miles a weekend. oh yea, also have a 12 CVO Roadglide with a S&S 124 that has around 70,000 miles that also gets thrown in the weekend mix as well.
yes I am a motorcycle junkie that spends just about every dime I have on my bikes and love every minute. Really could care less which manufacturer makes it if it fits "my style"!
Very well said and my feelings. I was once a "Harley Only" guy, as time went on and I realized my thinking had evolved, I decided to test ride a K1600 B or bagger. Love it! That said, I still like Harley's. There are aspects of Harley I prefer, aspects of the BMW I prefer. They are two different ladies.

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« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2019, 12:13:03 PM »

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« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2019, 06:29:27 PM »

Due to my battle with Harley on my 17 CVO Streetglide thinking I was going to have to go down the "legal road" to get them to buy back the bike I ended up with both a 19 CVO Roadglide (Harley finally did the right thing) and a 19 BMW Bagger (Grand America) last October. love both bikes for different reasons and currently have 12500 miles on the BMW and 13200 on the Harley. Only get to ride on weekends so ride one on Sat and other on Sun. Totally different bikes with different strengths and weaknesses. IMHO they compliment each other perfectly. Everyone asks me same question-which one do I like more and my answer is always the the one I am riding that day!
The connectivity on the Harley with Apple Play is terrific (horrible on the BMW..) and obviously the performance on the BMW is terrific. I put exactly same audio system on both (much more difficult to do on BMW) so at least I dont have to worry about that!
I just flat out absolutely love riding motorcycles and have since I was a kid. Not unusual for me to do 800-900 miles a weekend. oh yea, also have a 12 CVO Roadglide with a S&S 124 that has around 70,000 miles that also gets thrown in the weekend mix as well.
yes I am a motorcycle junkie that spends just about every dime I have on my bikes and love every minute. Really could care less which manufacturer makes it if it fits "my style"!

Have to agree with most of your comments. I have had similar issues with my 2016 and 2017 and my latest 2019.
Each trade in year model was at the assurance from the dealer that all the past issues were addressed by the factory and it’s all good now.
Not blaming the dealer as he is just repeating what Harley has told him.
I’m thinking the 2019 will be my last NEW Harley. I bought a BMW RT couple of months ago and when I have my BSR along we compare the ride on each bike, just a fun thing to do.
Totally different rides for sure. I like them both for different reasons and seem to be riding  the Harley more mainly for the heated seat, and, besides I was a sucker for the color!
The BMW is more like a two wheel car, no soul.
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« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2020, 07:06:04 AM »


I wasn't riding M/C's during the AMF/Harley years, so the colors from back then mean nothing to me.

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« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2020, 06:37:17 AM »

I have a 2020 in the Sand Dune (white). The seat is nice but that butt pad is not removable so it pushes you forward about 2 inches. I was thinking of taking it to a seat maker and seeing if they could alter it and put a zipper on it so I could put it on or take it off. I'm 6'4" and sitting that far forward it's hard for me to pick up my leg and get it on the stock rear break pedal. Don't really want to spend another grand on a new heated tall boy seat.
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