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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2019, 07:33:19 PM »

After adding options - a nice feature but looked like they were added at full price? - price went from $28,200 to $34,500.  No allowance for take off parts?  Or just charging full price from the factory because they can?  Doesn't matter to me.  The Indian RG is not anything I would want & am not a fan.   
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Here's Indian's website. Looks like entry level is at $22k.

https://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/challenger/
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2019, 08:54:50 PM »

After adding options - a nice feature but looked like they were added at full price? - price went from $28,200 to $34,500.  No allowance for take off parts?  Or just charging full price from the factory because they can?  Doesn't matter to me.  The Indian RG is not anything I would want & am not a fan.
I'm not sure I understand your post.  You took the Challenger MSRP and then started adding items from their parts catalog and are surprised at how much those add-ons increased the cost.  Then you mention no discount for take off parts.  I've never seen a feature on a manufacturer's site that allowed a discount for turning in stock parts.  Ive never had this offered by any dealer either...just a discount on new parts.  What would a dealer do with take off parts (stock a/c, slip-ons, etc), there's no market for them.

Just curious, if you went to the HD website, looked up the cost of a RGS ($27,299), added the features you selected for the Challenger, would the website show a discount for turning in replaced parts?  Also, what would the cost of the RG be if you added the same items you selected for the Challenger?  Let's make sure we're comparing apples to apples.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2019, 10:29:38 PM »

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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2019, 11:33:00 PM »

I'm not sure I understand your post.  You took the Challenger MSRP and then started adding items from their parts catalog and are surprised at how much those add-ons increased the cost.  Then you mention no discount for take off parts.  I've never seen a feature on a manufacturer's site that allowed a discount for turning in stock parts.  Ive never had this offered by any dealer either...just a discount on new parts.  What would a dealer do with take off parts (stock a/c, slip-ons, etc), there's no market for them.

Just curious, if you went to the HD website, looked up the cost of a RGS ($27,299), added the features you selected for the Challenger, would the website show a discount for turning in replaced parts?  Also, what would the cost of the RG be if you added the same items you selected for the Challenger?  Let's make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

These are not "take off parts" because they are added on the initial order of the MC.  Not taken off if they are OE parts added with the website "Build" feature.

Not surprised at the cost, I ride with several friends who have Indians, they are at HD level and higher as to accessory cost.  Just made a comment above on how they do their parts additions - a nice option - and the way they do this it's a very profitable one for them as well.  Indian took HD's prices and decided + was better. 

As to what the cost of a HD is compared to an Indian RG it cannot be apples to apples - the 2 bikes have different features, are different bikes, and as a rider am not interested in purchasing either one. 

This remains an HD website, Indians have their own websites and are filled with their fans.  To me Indian is a curiosity and their value as I see it is to hopefully push HD as a competitor.  I do not like the styling or the ride or anything on any Indian enough to consider a purchase.  Others feel differently, to each their own.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2019, 08:06:59 AM »

The Challenger is miles ahead of the road glide which it copied from HD  :huepfenlol2: this bike alone should bring HD's design staff heads out their ass. Hate to see the price of their version of The Challenger.

I'm waiting for one to hit my local dealer for an extended test ride, not just around the block, and see for myself. I predict it's a winner BWTFDIK.  :drink:

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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2019, 09:15:21 AM »

It will be more interesting to see one in person.  No matter whether you like it or not, it's a big step.  So far I like the look and specifications sheet.  Hope it does well for Indian and is used to revitalize something in the MoCo besides the Livewire... ;D
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2019, 09:23:12 AM »



If you think it looks familiar, you’re probably right.  There’s your 1st take-off part.


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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2019, 09:40:43 AM »

These are not "take off parts" because they are added on the initial order of the MC.  Not taken off if they are OE parts added with the website "Build" feature.

Not surprised at the cost, I ride with several friends who have Indians, they are at HD level and higher as to accessory cost.  Just made a comment above on how they do their parts additions - a nice option - and the way they do this it's a very profitable one for them as well.  Indian took HD's prices and decided + was better. 

As to what the cost of a HD is compared to an Indian RG it cannot be apples to apples - the 2 bikes have different features, are different bikes, and as a rider am not interested in purchasing either one. 

This remains an HD website, Indians have their own websites and are filled with their fans.  To me Indian is a curiosity and their value as I see it is to hopefully push HD as a competitor.  I do not like the styling or the ride or anything on any Indian enough to consider a purchase.  Others feel differently, to each their own.
From what you've posted, are you misreading the Indian website?  You can't order or buy a new Indian with any of the parts shown on their website.  Just like HD, you'd have to buy the stock bike and then get the add-ons separately.  Regarding your other comments, the reason this thread is of interest on a HD site is because IM is HD's main competition now.  Go to an IM or BMW website and you'll see discussion about HDs.  Nevertheless, this new Challenger should be a wake-up call for HD to step up their game ASAP...they have nothing, including CVOs, that compete with the Challenger, FTR, or even the Scout.  This is Indian's third water-cooled bike with 100+ HP...they seem to be leading the way on domestic bike manufacturing.  The rumor is IM will be introducing a naked sport bike and adventure model based on the FTR platform...tick tock HD, tick tock...       
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2019, 12:02:08 PM »

From what you've posted, are you misreading the Indian website?  You can't order or buy a new Indian with any of the parts shown on their website.  Just like HD, you'd have to buy the stock bike and then get the add-ons separately.  Regarding your other comments, the reason this thread is of interest on a HD site is because IM is HD's main competition now.  Go to an IM or BMW website and you'll see discussion about HDs.  Nevertheless, this new Challenger should be a wake-up call for HD to step up their game ASAP...they have nothing, including CVOs, that compete with the Challenger, FTR, or even the Scout.  This is Indian's third water-cooled bike with 100+ HP...they seem to be leading the way on domestic bike manufacturing.  The rumor is IM will be introducing a naked sport bike and adventure model based on the FTR platform...tick tock HD, tick tock...     

When I saw the Build option I figured Indian was offering factory customization - something that a lot of folks have wished was available for a long time.   My mistake, if they offered that they could really boost sales #s.

Anyway, have said here & elsewhere that I am interested in Indian - as a competitor to HD but not as a customer.  I already visit other websites and am well aware of the fanboy status that Indian is enjoying as well as the usual suspects who enjoy dumping on Harley - the dumping which Harley has earned & continues to earn by it's flatfootedness in the marketplace.  I have test ridden Indians & looked them over carefully.  Pass.

As to HD stepping up their game - I expect they will do something but looking at the MoCos latest moves am not sure if that will be a step up or a step down.  They seem to be mostly clueless at the corporate level & as long as the same Inspector Gadgets remain in charge there I would expect that cluelessness to continue.  No reason to see why HD will not continue to lose sales and give up market share & Indian will get their slice of that pie as will others.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2019, 08:58:19 PM »

It will be more interesting to see one in person.  No matter whether you like it or not, it's a big step.  So far I like the look and specifications sheet.  Hope it does well for Indian and is used to revitalize something in the MoCo besides the Livewire... ;D
I will definitely give the Challenger a very good look when its time to trade my CVO road glide.  If its as good as its spec sheet, its a winner. 

That said I have been looking hard at the FTR 1200S.  Its quite the bike. 
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2019, 12:56:46 PM »

I will definitely give the Challenger a very good look when its time to trade my CVO road glide.  If its as good as its spec sheet, its a winner. 

That said I have been looking hard at the FTR 1200S.  Its quite the bike.

Very nice looker in person (and sounds good with different pipes, too) but too tall in the saddle for my short legs.  Vickie likes the dark red/charcoal color combo... ;D
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2019, 09:34:24 AM »

I will definitely give the Challenger a very good look when its time to trade my CVO road glide.  If its as good as its spec sheet, its a winner. 

That said I have been looking hard at the FTR 1200S.  Its quite the bike.

The FTR is a nice, well engineered bike.  The only two minor concerns are the seat height (it's taller than similar bikes, so those 5'9 or shorter may not be able to flat foot the bike while seated) and if you're going to push the twisties, a set of street tires would be better than the faux flat tracker tires that come standard.  I just bought a Ducati Monster 1200S, if the FTR is anything like that, strap on...you're in for one heck of a fast ride.
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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2019, 03:30:36 PM »

Interesting new video. The Challenger has a governor at 112 MPH. I wonder why?



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Re: Watch out Harley here comes Indian
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2019, 04:31:03 PM »

Interesting new video. The Challenger has a governor at 112 MPH. I wonder why?



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