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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2019, 06:07:28 AM »

I had good results on a previous 110 with Feuling FE4000 lifters. (As recommended by Don twolane!)

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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2019, 12:42:36 PM »

S&S lifters are good.  Same Delphi lifters as the old MoCo "B" lifters.

SE tapered pushrods are as good as any.  Whatever you choose be sure to know the adjustment thread size to set the preload correctly.

Koyo/Torrington/Timken inner bearing (uncaged full roller).
S&S lifters are made by Eaton.....the premiums anyhow
The regular replacement lifters are probably offshore

To all.....keep in mind there's two Johnson lifter companies
Hy-lift Johnson makes woods lifters and others
Johnson lifters makes fueling

Main reason I don't use fueling lifters
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2019, 04:29:35 PM »

I had good results on a previous 110 with Feuling FE4000 lifters. (As recommended by Don twolane!)

Jim


Haven't used them in awhile myself but I did always have good luck with the standard Feuling lifters.  The same couldn't be said for their more expensive race lifters though.  Knew of or experienced a few failures with their "race" lifters.  Anymore I use the HyLifts.
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2019, 05:29:29 PM »

Best I've personally used are the SE version of the MoCo "B" lifters.
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2019, 07:44:20 PM »

Well I've ordered up the Screamin' Eagle Premium Tapered Quick-Install Adjustable Pushrods
Part Number 18404-08
I've also ordered up a set of Twin Power  cam chain tensioner shoes that'll be going in.

Once I receive them I'll put the motor back together with the stock lifters I replaced with the S&S high performance lifters.
It's going to be a bit of a hassle but it's the only way I can think of to determine if it's a lifter failure that's making the noise if the noise is still there then it's back to the head scratching.

I maybe jumping on the bandwagon here a bit premature but if it turns out to be one of the S&S lifters I'll be pissed. This is the hole reason I forked out for S&S lifters to avoid any issues that the stock lifters may have given me and here it is the bloody S&S lifters I'm fairly confident that letting me down.
Okay that's me rant for now.  :(
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2019, 11:17:08 PM »

As previously mentioned you may be able to get rid of the noise with pushrod adjustment. I would take the S&S lifters apart, clean them as there could be debris from the tensioner in them and reinstall them.

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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2019, 09:32:00 AM »

Agreed, if the rollers are good and tight, roll smoothly and do not have visible wear you definitely can disassemble and inspect the plungers and clean them out.  Hard to determine if the check ball is holding by inspection though.

Although it's somewhat of a common practice, I'd not recommend adjusting the preload out of spec.  This is just compensation for another problem, essentially turning a hydraulic lifter into a solid lifter.

Bottom line, when you get lifter noise, generally the solution is to install a fresh set.  They're not too expensive and with adjustables is a fairly quick and easy job.
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2019, 12:55:56 PM »

Thanks for the input guys,   like you said( 2002FXDWG3 ) with the quicky pushrods it'll take no time to pull the lifters that's why I'm going to put the stock lifters I took out back in and hopefully there will be no tappet noise (they were good when I removed them).

If the tappet noise is gone I'll then do as suggested strip the S&S ones down clean them up put them back in and give them another go.
I really don't want to lay out for a new set at the moment these S&S lifters  only got roughly 8500 miles on them I'll exhaust a my options first.
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2019, 08:42:00 AM »

Longlast, have you checked for witness marks on the rocker shaft where the bolts for the rocker support plate are? If so there is a simple fix for this.

Good luck
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2019, 08:46:23 AM »

Do not discount what HD-DUDE said about cleaning the lifters. Our beloved Vtwins do not have the best filtration system plus many don't run 5 micron filters (which BTW is "nominal"). Two places the tensioners end up in are lifters and piston jets. Not good in either case. I am talking normal wear not because of a failure. There are no magic better tensioners needed.
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2019, 12:58:57 PM »

Longlast, have you checked for witness marks on the rocker shaft where the bolts for the rocker support plate are? If so there is a simple fix for this.

Good luck

TN if you're meaning it maybe rocker shaft slap,  I have rocker lockers installed and did check they were good also had a check on the rocker arms they too are in good shape.

Do not discount what HD-DUDE said about cleaning the lifters. Our beloved Vtwins do not have the best filtration system plus many don't run 5 micron filters (which BTW is "nominal"). Two places the tensioners end up in are lifters and piston jets. Not good in either case. I am talking normal wear not because of a failure. There are no magic better tensioners needed.

 :2vrolijk_21: will be doing that.  I spent today making up a jig to hold the lifters in place while I compress the cylinder to release the retainer clip.
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2019, 01:43:43 PM »

I clamp them in a vise with rubber jaw covers and use a cut pushrod to put a little pressure on the cup while I pick out the retaining clip with a little screwdriver.
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2019, 01:59:06 PM »

Sounds good, a rounded off bolt works too
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2019, 02:31:49 PM »

Sounds good, a rounded off bolt works too

That's what I did, today I rounded the end off on a bolt to put in the cap. I just drilled a  hole the diameter  of the lifters in a peace of wood then clamp the block of wood in the vice then with a "C" clamp and the bolt compress the cap.


I clamp them in a vise with rubber jaw covers and use a cut pushrod to put a little pressure on the cup while I pick out the retaining clip with a little screwdriver.

I first tried to push on them by hand but I couldn't move them
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Re: Lifter failure?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2019, 03:43:15 PM »

Never said it's easy  :huepfenjump3:
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