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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2007, 04:10:25 PM »

He was likely speaking of an oil galley.  A pathway for oil flow.
Dyna, so glad you were not seriously injured and that things are turning your way.  Chit does indeed happen but this problem with your motor should have been caught before it resulted in such serious consequences since you said you had complained.  Bad stuff happens when moving parts are starved for oil.  Twolane's admonition to reach for that clutch at the first sign of such a problem is good advice but I really wonder if I would be quick witted enough to do it in time.  That kind of stuff goes down really, really fast.  Good luck and keep us posted.
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2007, 04:28:32 PM »


Twolane's admonition to reach for that clutch at the first sign of such a problem is good advice but I really wonder if I would be quick witted enough to do it in time.  That kind of stuff goes down really, really fast.  Good luck and keep us posted.



Jerry, we may not always be quick enough.  But what else are we gonna go  :nixweiss: ?

Fortunately a lot of the time before an engine goes south there is sound.  Bad, terrible, awe inspiring sound of the pucker inducing variety.  Even if it's only a moment's worth.  It's still enough time for the left hand to grab.

Sometimes, however, it can be sudden.  Electrical failures, for example, might go with the suddenness of a failed maxi-fuse or breaker.  Of course then the engine might give us a few rotations before the rotating mass winds down.  If an engine or tranny just suddenly locks up though, without warning, it's never going to be a fun ride though.  Hold on, let go, or some combination thereof;  because it's not really all up to you anymore.
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2007, 05:17:10 PM »

Glad you ar OK.  :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:

I sent you a PM since your Dealer is lurking on this board.



Take care...
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2007, 05:29:03 PM »

Spoke with MOCO customer support today about oil temps the said that they were ok . Also said they do not know of any motors locking up...  Are they BS or are we the BS also have spoken with to dealers about temps they say the 110 motor oil temps is fine between 230 to 300 degree,s the MOCO also confirmed this.... :o :o :o ??? ??? ???
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2007, 05:29:34 PM »

Yes, let us know what the final outcome is and what caused the problem. I haven't picked up my 110 yet - but I have done some mods (SERT and V&H Dresser Duals). I hope that takes care of the lean condition and will let the engine run as it should. I'm sure most of us want to know what happens here.
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2007, 06:54:15 PM »

From my reading on the oil subject, the upper limit for most dino-based oils is like 250 to 300 degrees F, compared to 450 degrees F or higher (some as much as 700 degrees F!) for many synthetics. There is probably a specification for the HD Syn available that should spell out the upper limit. I would not want to find out the limit personally.

An oil gallery is a (hopefully) accurately drilled and aligned internal passage inside the engine block and other strategic locations to permit oil cooling for the internal parts. Sometimes they are done with with really tight tolerances to permit a directed jet or jets of lubricants to a specific point, such as the underside of a piston. That's true in piston driven aircraft, automotive, and industrial engines. We used to use some screw in adapters to hose out the passages when rebuilding old VW-powered dune buggies and sometimes were amazed at the junk that came out.

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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2007, 07:15:50 PM »

Wow, a lot of people replied!

I have been working with the dealer most of the day. The guy I talked with yesterday is apparently new (this isn't my normal dealership, but one close to where I crashed). The owner of the dealership called me this morning after he found out what I had been told yesterday.

He apparently lurks here and other boards and asked if I could refrain from naming his dealership until this situation is resolved. I plan to give him a chance and will respect that request for now. I mentioned that I'm a member here.

Then he drove almost 100 miles to my house and drove me and my brother to his dealership.


We looked at the bike with two of his techs. One of the techs stated "...the rear jug is missing its gallery outlet." I have no idea what that means. I probably should have asked. I'm sure someone here can explain what a gallery outlet is. ( I was thinking art store)

I told them about the fuel smell in the oil. The techs both agreed that was because of the BROKEN rings in the rear cylinder. They both looked at the pipes and saw the layer of burnt Syn3... also accounted for by the broken rings.


The inside of the rear cylinder was purplish-black. The ceramic on the spark plug was dark brown at the bottom and faded to white towards the top. The heat-shield on the rear pipe was a pretty metallic blue and there were sags in the pipe where it started to melt. I also noticed the front cylinder was oily, while the rear looked bone-dry.

As for the rest of the bike, the right side of the tank is smashed. The forks are bent. The front wheel is broken. The bars are bent. The throttle grip is missing. The right foot-peg sheared off part of the frame-tube when it contacted the road. The air-cleaner cover is smashed. The pipes are flat. And the rear fender is curled under and sticking into a flat rear tire.


I was told that the important people at H-D are now aware of the situation and that I need not worry. He told me that I should have a brand new bike as soon as feasible. I should also have a loaner by the weekend, but it probably won't be a SE anything.

So far, I've been treated as I expected to be. We'll see about follow-through.

I fared better than what one would think after seeing the bike. I wasn't expecting the rear wheel to lock up like that. It caught me off-gaurd and I didn't have time to pull the clutch. Shouldn't it have free-wheeled? Oh, and I got a free lunch out of the deal.

Thanks for all the advice. I'll keep you posted.

It is great that someone at a management level has responded appropriately to your bike's motor failure and your accident.  While it is good that your issue is getting the proper response, don't let your guard down - don't sign anything.  If they replace your bike - great - but make sure your medical needs and costs are taken care of also.  There is no reason your insurance should have to pay for anything, and no reason for you to have any out of pocket expense for anything.  Be sure you have no lingering medical issues.  I crashed hard a few years ago, and the worst of my injuries was not apparent for several weeks.  I hit the ground so hard that I bruised my lungs (sudden deacceleration injury).  The symptoms of the bruised lungs - which required months of therapy - did not begin to appear for weeks.  I lost 50% of my lung capacity at the worst of it - and it was months before I was fully recovered.  You reported a potential problem prior to the accident, and you did nothing to contribute to the accident.  At the end of the day, no matter how nice they treat you, their goal will be to limit their losses - which is the goal of any business.  Your goal should be, at minimum, to made whole.

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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2007, 08:18:40 PM »

DS,
Really glad this is heading in the right direction for you.  Someone else said to keep good notes.  I agree.  It's really amazing how much more "attention" you get when you can give the guy in charge, names, dates/times, etc., when addressing a problem with a company.  It's pretty tough to argue with someone who's done their homework.
Good luck,
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2007, 08:34:50 PM »

Dyna,
That's more like it...sounds like a new ride in your future and a loaner while you wait.  I'm glad that your dealer is playing it straight with you.  Hope everything works out as you expect....
Cheers :2vrolijk_21:,
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2007, 11:15:47 PM »

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Dynasoar- One word of advice to you  (or anyone for that matter), from someone who has spent *,***,***.00"s  of dollars in legal fees, no matter what they say, they are not YOUR ATTORNEY, au contraire, you are their MEAL TICKET.  This is true 99.9% of the time. If you (or the defendant) have any money, I guarantee the combined legal costs will be AT LEAST what you are litigating for. that is the way the system works. If you are lucky you will break even unless you go on contingency.  I know this upfront going into any litigation-I do it only for principle, not for profit (or to break even). 

More often than not the only parties that come out of litigation whole are the parties with: 
a) no money; or 
b) all the money.

At least on the Left Coast. That is just the way it works, its all about the money.

Anyone disagrees, PM me with your attorney.  I will have a ton of business for them.

If you are an attorney, and disagree, be forewarned, I have my LL.B from the school of C.A.S.H. and I know your program, i.e. you want to transfer as much money as possible from my account to yours. Period.
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I don't know you or any of the attorneys you have dealt with but in each and every case I have ever had I am, without a doubt,  my client's attorney. It is always us against the uncaring world of the insurance company. However though you apparently have a need to keep an attorney on a retainer, please don't call me because one of the freedom's that I have is the freedom to choose who I represent. This also means that I could care less about your money. I represent individuals that I care about and only individuals because I have seen what happens to them when no one stands up  for their rights against big business, ie the insurance company. I have had the opportunity to work where I am guaranteed to be paid an hourly amount with nothing to risk when I go to trial ( as an insurance defense attorney) but I declined because I do care about people and it is not all about the money in my practice.

 Your quote about a client being a meal ticket  99.9%  of the time is, in legal terms,  bulls_ _ _!  You basically know nothing about the men who represent individuals in lieu of representing the insurance companies. We, by choice,  take a risk every time we take a case, whether a risk of our time, money or both, because we care. The pressure of having someone's future resting on your abilities is a large burden to carry and results in many nights without sleep while wondering if you have prepared for everything that the insurance company will be throwing at you. Granted some attorneys may not care as much as others but those are the ones that refer their cases out and really are in it for the money. However most states are taking steps to curtail such endeavors. It should also be noted, like it has been mentioned here, not every hd dealership offers the quality of service that we all expect and demand. However like most hd dealerships the majority of the plaintiff attorneys are pretty good guys and tend to be more of a "people person"  than attorneys in other fields.  Your personal opinion, and it is nothing more than that,  regarding all attorneys is without a factual basis and when coupled with your other comments a clear indication of your inability to understand what has transpired in your own life much less understand anything about the character of others. If you have a certain attorney that you had a problem with, name him and say what he did. Then call him and give him permission to discuss your case with me and I will be happy to contact him to get his side of the story and with his permission  gladly post it for all to read. I am also very curious as to why you have such extensive experience with attorneys. Sounds like you may have some issues of your own and evidently have to seek the help of others to take care of your own, probably self inflicted, problems. ( this post exceeded posting limit size so I have split it)
 
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2007, 11:16:54 PM »

Dynasoar- One word of advice to you  (or anyone for that matter), from someone who has spent *,***,***.00"s  of dollars in legal fees, no matter what they say, they are not YOUR ATTORNEY, au contraire, you are their MEAL TICKET.  This is true 99.9% of the time. If you (or the defendant) have any money, I guarantee the combined legal costs will be AT LEAST what you are litigating for. that is the way the system works. If you are lucky you will break even unless you go on contingency.  I know this upfront going into any litigation-I do it only for principle, not for profit (or to break even). 

More often than not the only parties that come out of litigation whole are the parties with: 
a) no money; or 
b) all the money.

At least on the Left Coast. That is just the way it works, its all about the money.

Anyone disagrees, PM me with your attorney.  I will have a ton of business for them.

If you are an attorney, and disagree, be forewarned, I have my LL.B from the school of C.A.S.H. and I know your program, i.e. you want to transfer as much money as possible from my account to yours. Period.

I only represent individuals who have been injured in accidents. Not one time in my career have I ever received more money than my client. Facts of cases differ and lots of times I was contractually entitled to have received more than my client but I have always reduced my fee to compensate for this. How many times have you ever voluntarily reduced your pay?

In an injury case people are compensated based on their injuries. However if there is limited insurance and high medicals the bottom line for the client may be low or near nothing as the medical providers normally have subrogation rights that entitle them to be paid before the plaintiff is. That is not the fault of the attorney just the facts. 

I do not charge my clients for recovering property damages. I have done this as a service for my injury clients for years. After the hurricanes I helped several people recover for their property damages and could not in good faith charge them when they needed the money that I worked to recover for them, in order   to provide a home for their families. How much "free" work did you perform for your employer last year?

Your experiences seem somewhat like those of a couple of my former clients. They had major injuries and the defendant either had no insurance or very little. Of course it was the attorneys fault that he could not collect thousands of dollars for them from an unemployed drunk or drug addict. Had they purchased underinsured/ uninsured motorist coverage as discussed in an earlier thread, they would  have recovered what was due to them. But instead of acknowledging their own fault in failing to take the steps necessary to protect themselves in the event of a wreck with little or no insurance, they simply blamed their attorney.

I am truly sorry that your experiences with the legal world have been less than satisfactory. With that said, as you can tell, I do not think such experiences give you the right to criticize my profession as a whole. There are good and bad people in every walk of life. I am judged  by my clients on a daily basis and  I am still in business so I must be doing something right, though getting rich is not one of the things that I am doing. In fact I have spent the better part of the last year doing work where I am losing money because people have just needed help. The financial effects of this have recently become evident and accordingly your post caught me at the wrong time. For those I may have offended I apologize.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that I am now on dp. Just point me to my corner and let me know when I can come out and play again.

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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2007, 11:23:14 PM »


Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that I am now on dp. Just point me to my corner and let me know when I can come out and play again.

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Nobody ever said we didn't play while on DP.  It's actually our own version of double indemnity  :2vrolijk_21: .
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2007, 11:44:29 PM »


Nobody ever said we didn't play while on DP.  It's actually our own version of double indemnity  :2vrolijk_21: .

Thanks for the information Twolane. Your comment really helped out with my current mood. However I have one question, are we allowed to play with others or must we play alone while on DP?  ;D

Also I would like to clarify my position. If anyone on this site has a problem with an individual attorney and wants to post their complaint I fully support their right to do so and will never criticize them for doing that.  I would also be willing to do everything that I could to help that person should they ask and if I could. However the previous post was an attack on all attorneys,  which meant it was an attack on me personally. To group together all members of any profession and then criticize them all because of one's experience with one or more members of that profession is wrong, at least it is wrong in my opinion, in case no one has figured that out yet. 
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2007, 12:14:55 AM »

Thanks for the information Twolane. Your comment really helped out with my current mood. However I have one question, are we allowed to play with others or must we play alone while on DP?  ;D



TJ, while on DSP it is ok to play with one's sel....   Wait, that didn't come out right.  While on DSP it is ok to play with eac.....   Wait just a moment; more problem potential there too.  Ummm; while on Double Secret Probation generally screwing around is not only expected; it will be graded for skill and enthusiasm.
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Re: 110" fried at 812 miles, bike trashed.
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2007, 01:40:45 AM »

DS, from your description it sounds much more serious than previously mentioned. When you get the oppertunity, please post the pictures.

Here we have an excellent opportunity for a dealer to shine and show that they have made good. What a wonderful accolade that would be and I'm sure reward them with increased business from this site.

And 2J, thanks for lightening up a little. I was starting to worry your blood pressure was going up. ;D
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