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BUSH COMES TO MC DILL A.F.B.
« on: May 01, 2007, 06:15:03 PM »

WELL HE'S AT IT AGAIN. NO ANSWER IN SIGHT TO WHEN THE HELL THIS WILL END. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS.
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 08:10:17 PM »

WELL HE'S AT IT AGAIN. NO ANSWER IN SIGHT TO WHEN THE HELL THIS WILL END. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS.

In my entire life, I can't recall a President so out of touch with the American people.

And yes, GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS and protect them in harms way.
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 01:05:57 AM »

Blame the Media they are the ones who control the country because to many people are too lazy to read what is really going on or to formulate their own opinion. Being Active duty it just burns me when people say they back the troops but not the war. That kind of talking is BS. We aren't for war either but it is what we have to do unless someone else wants to go and talk the terrorist out of hating everyone who isn't their kind. If you really want to help the troops don't support the liberal media who is tearing the US apart and indirectly or possibly directly feeding information the the enemy.

Sorry about the rant but this is my opinion and we know how opinions go
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 03:40:05 AM »

Blame the Media they are the ones who control the country because to many people are too lazy to read what is really going on or to formulate their own opinion. Being Active duty it just burns me when people say they back the troops but not the war. That kind of talking is BS. We aren't for war either but it is what we have to do unless someone else wants to go and talk the terrorist out of hating everyone who isn't their kind. If you really want to help the troops don't support the liberal media who is tearing the US apart and indirectly or possibly directly feeding information the the enemy.
Sorry about the rant but this is my opinion and we know how opinions go

07 CVO I really have to agree with you on this one.

Being assigned to Special Ops for a while. it really suprised me what is going on IN THIS COUNTRY! And that most of the American People have NOT A CLUE.

Perhaps they have already forgotten the events of September 11th. IMHO if our great President (yes I think they all are) William Jefferson Clinton would not of opened up our borders things would have been a little different. Even worse if our Government would have reconized ANY of the warning signs it WOULD have been different.

I spent a few days at THE PENTAGON September 11th and 12th to be exact. It still breaks my heart to see what those people have done to this country.

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Re: BUSH COMES TO MC DILL A.F.B.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 08:21:57 AM »

In my entire life, I can't recall a President so out of touch with the American people.

And yes, GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS and protect them in harms way.

He's not out of touch, B B....he just doesn't give a chit and he's stoopid on top of that.  What little gray matter he ever had was toasted a long time ago.

I do support our men and women who are risking life and limb in an absolutely impossible situation looked at by any rational thought process.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 08:28:21 AM »

No WMD's
No link to terrorists that threatened our country (At least before we invaded)
No evidence of nuclear bombs.

If I joined the service to fight in Iraq under these false pretenses, I'd be pissed. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 08:33:09 AM »

So the presumption is had we never overthrown the govt. of Iraq, the ME would be a better place with Saddam still in power.  Or it would still be screwed up but we would no longer care? 
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 10:46:33 AM »

Bush and his Oil Cronies broke it, and now the troops (like my son currently serving with a Ranger unit in Bagdad) continue to buy it on a daily basis.

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 12:22:05 PM »

So the presumption is had we never overthrown the govt. of Iraq, the ME would be a better place with Saddam still in power.  Or it would still be screwed up but we would no longer care? 

Having over 3000 of America's best die to give our notion of freedom to people who may or may not want it is just plain wrong.  If this was the only argument Bush had do you think we would be over there. 
We are not the moral authority for all the world's problems.  Hell, we can't even fix our own country.  It's time to care more about our own people both serviceman and civilians than the Iraqis.   Sorry to go off on you or anybody else out there.  I am just made as Hell about this whole mess we are in.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 12:25:04 PM »

God I love when BUSH CUMS!!!
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 12:27:29 PM »

Having over 3000 of America's best die to give our notion of freedom to people who may or may not want it is just plain wrong.  If this was the only argument Bush had do you think we would be over there. 
We are not the moral authority for all the world's problems.  Hell, we can't even fix our own country.   It's time to care more about our own people both serviceman and civilians than the Iraqis.   Sorry to go off on you or anybody else out there.  I am just made as Hell about this whole mess we are in.


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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 01:20:21 PM »

So the presumption is had we never overthrown the govt. of Iraq, the ME would be a better place with Saddam still in power.  Or it would still be screwed up but we would no longer care? 

Saddam was an evil bastard, no doubt about that, but most of the stuff he was being accused of having (WMD's, training camps, etc) was a fabrication of someone's overactive imagination, or more likely, an outright f'ing lie and "they" all knew it.  All we've done is take Saddam's thumb off Pandora's Box and unleashed a couple of hundred years of pent up frustration, and a couple of thousand years of historically never ending tribal warfare.  It's a brown and concrete Vietnam...the parallels are remarkable...no way to win, and there's really nothing TO win, at this point, other than oil fields which are not producing chit under the circumstances.  The people want to kill EACH OTHER, and our poor soldiers can't tell who's who.  We gave them freedom alright...the freedom to choose who/what they're going to blow up next in their own country.  The Kurds are the only ones who halfway have their chit together...the rest of the country is in pure chaos and we will NEVER control it unless we assume the role of a dictatorship and employ some of the methodology we were supposedly getting rid of... :soapbox:
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2007, 01:26:31 PM »

Having over 3000 of America's best die to give our notion of freedom to people who may or may not want it is just plain wrong.  If this was the only argument Bush had do you think we would be over there. 
We are not the moral authority for all the world's problems.  Hell, we can't even fix our own country.  It's time to care more about our own people both serviceman and civilians than the Iraqis.   Sorry to go off on you or anybody else out there.  I am just made as Hell about this whole mess we are in.

If we had not over thrown the Iraq govt., Saddam would remain in power. From your post it is apparent that you would prefer Saddam to be alive and in power than the present situation we have in Iraq. 

Thank you for your response.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2007, 01:35:17 PM »

Saddam was an evil bastard, no doubt about that, but most of the stuff he was being accused of having (WMD's, training camps, etc) was a fabrication of someone's overactive imagination, or more likely, an outright f'ing lie and "they" all knew it.  All we've done is take Saddam's thumb off Pandora's Box and unleashed a couple of hundred years of pent up frustration, and a couple of thousand years of historically never ending tribal warfare.  It's a brown and concrete Vietnam...the parallels are remarkable...no way to win, and there's really nothing TO win, at this point, other than oil fields which are not producing chit under the circumstances.  The people want to kill EACH OTHER, and our poor soldiers can't tell who's who.  We gave them freedom alright...the freedom to choose who/what they're going to blow up next in their own country.  The Kurds are the only ones who halfway have their chit together...the rest of the country is in pure chaos and we will NEVER control it unless we assume the role of a dictatorship and employ some of the methodology we were supposedly getting rid of... :soapbox:

Easy to find some folks to blame for speading the wrong info on Saddam/Iraq - our CIA, British secret service, most all the secret service organizations around the world, most western nation leaders, Presidents Clinton & Bush, Republican and Democratic leaders as well as most rank and file of both parties, and the media. 

If we had not invaded, Saddam would still be alive and in control of Iraq.  If we were truly Imperialistic, we would be colonizing the place and killing 10's of thousands of those who dared oppose us until they were for the most part in such a minority as to no longer pose a real problem.  We possess the capability to do that but since we are not trying to colonize Iraq we have chosen a different path.

No arguments from me that the place is a mess and bad decisions were made.  At this point, IMHO, we must consider the future of the region as it impacts the rest of the world, and choose our options most carefully.  Otherwise, we find ourselves back there again in a much worse situation than we have now.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2007, 03:21:27 PM »

Easy to find some folks to blame for speading the wrong info on Saddam/Iraq - our CIA, British secret service, most all the secret service organizations around the world, most western nation leaders, Presidents Clinton & Bush, Republican and Democratic leaders as well as most rank and file of both parties, and the media. 

If we had not invaded, Saddam would still be alive and in control of Iraq.  If we were truly Imperialistic, we would be colonizing the place and killing 10's of thousands of those who dared oppose us until they were for the most part in such a minority as to no longer pose a real problem.  We possess the capability to do that but since we are not trying to colonize Iraq we have chosen a different path.

No arguments from me that the place is a mess and bad decisions were made.  At this point, IMHO, we must consider the future of the region as it impacts the rest of the world, and choose our options most carefully.  Otherwise, we find ourselves back there again in a much worse situation than we have now.

I have no argument that Saddam was a bad person, but after the first Gulf War, his real ability to stir up chit in the area was stripped, as has been proven by the lack of discovery of his alleged weapons of mass destruction.  Whether he would have been able to develop them again is a matter of endless debate and a mute point now for sure.  In wars we've "won" (that in itself is a word that could be debated), we have not only won a military victory, but a moral and political one as well over both the government AND the people.  We basically squashed them in one way or the other.  We were basically dictators, though not imperialists in the traditional sense of the concept.

The American public, as indicated by every poll, and by the most recent elections, have little patience for the type of political/police action our military is currently engaged in...Vietnam should have taught us that lesson.

So yes, in a relative sense, the majority of the people in Iraq were probably sleeping better at night when Saddam was in power, and most of them could go about their quest for food, clothing, and shelter without much fear of having themselves or their children blown to hell and back by some idiot with a bunch of nails wrapped around his body with explosives underneath.  Democracy or some variation based on it, is not for everyone.  We seem to forget that from time to time.

The present administration is directly responsible for what it has unleashed in Iraq...no other.  No, we cannot just pick up and walk away now, but lack of proper foresight, and choosing to ignore all expert advice offered by both military and political experts in the arena, and only listening to what he wanted to hear deserves a special place in history.

Please understand that this is an editorial comment, and not directed at any particular individual of this board.  It is simply my opinion, and everybody knows what they say about those...
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