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[Twolanerider]

Yup, I'll bet he does.  We chastise the moco for "field testing" their products but this is ridiculous!
 

Have done those garage hours testing, tinkering, reading and trying as Fr8 described Jerry.  The biggest overall surprise was how little difference it all made.  One would think that that something would make more than a small dent.  I could make the bike run bad.  Could detune it to something like a stock Evo and still never lose the ping.  Fuel, spark, whatever, nothing ever shook the ping.

Fitzmaurice at Zippers has been making a regular contact now.  A contact that is appreciated, directed and would hopefully be eventually successful.  He's now speaking of a path of more "surgical" steps to try and narrow it down and get it resolved.  With the Neslon trip deadline looming that might or might not be practical just because we can't yet know how long it would take.  That being so I just offered him what seemed to me to be a fair alternative. 

Suggested that with the trip upcoming I'd not push the deadline and would reinstall an alternative now.  Get it tuned and be ready for the trip.  I've got to be in the DC area occasionally.  Further suggested that I'd ride the bike back to let them have it for a day sometime later this summer.  They could do a quick re-install of the TMax and then dyno tune the bike and system together. 

I asked that such a dyno tune be on their dime as part of the process to make the system work as advertised.  I'd be supplying the travel, my own time (so far and to get it there) and the test-mule-problem-child for them to add to their learning curve to hopefully help other riders.

It seems a fair middle ground.  Hopefully first of the week will see a positive response.

[Midnight Rider]

Jim,

Hate to even suggest this, but if you have fuel and spark you need to check compression.  If the bike is running as hot as you indicate and detonating severely, you may have burned a valve or piston.  I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be something simple.

Jerry

Jerry...hadn't read thoroughly enough to realize Jim had checked the fuel already.  Certainly hope it is something else, but this does not bode well    I'll be optimistically awaiting Jim's post when it gets figured out.

[jfh]

Wow, alot of emotion in this thread! I feel for those of you that are experiencing problems with your T-Max AT and hope you get your issues resolved.  I have had mine installed for 117 engine hours so far and have not experienced any of the difficulties that have been described.

[Midnight Rider]

Wow, alot of emotion in this thread! I feel for those of you that are experiencing problems with your T-Max AT and hope you get your issues resolved.  I have had mine installed for 117 engine hours so far and have not experienced any of the difficulties that have been described.

hdfr...In the interest of me trying to figure things out, did Zippers do your complete build, install, and tune in house, or did you get the parts and either do it yourself or have a shop do the work.  The point I'm interested in is whether they tuned the bike after the motor was built or provided you with a preloaded MAP?

[Twolanerider]

Wow, alot of emotion in this thread! I feel for those of you that are experiencing problems with your T-Max AT and hope you get your issues resolved.  I have had mine installed for 117 engine hours so far and have not experienced any of the difficulties that have been described.

Odd how that worked out  .  Started with a group of guys doing some curb racing and sharing what turned out be be an issue common among them, trying to get some support, eventually getting some and then hoping for resolution.  No one saying that others hadn't done better.  Just that they hadn't been so lucky.  Then..... 

HDFR, glad yours is performing ok.  The numbers were seeing with some kind of issue on the site, relative to all the site members using it, is by itself a little worrisome.  That at least a few are experiencing the same kind of problem is even a bit more so.  Perhaps the silver lining to that cloud would be that sorting out one would be a silver lining to sorting out several.  I've offered a hands on opportunity to sort out one.  Hopefully it'll work out.

[Chief]

Odd how that worked out  .  Started with a group of guys doing some curb racing and sharing what turned out be be an issue common among them, trying to get some support, eventually getting some and then hoping for resolution.  No one saying that others hadn't done better.  Just that they hadn't been so lucky.  Then..... 

HDFR, glad yours is performing ok.  The numbers were seeing with some kind of issue on the site, relative to all the site members using it, is by itself a little worrisome.  That at least a few are experiencing the same kind of problem is even a bit more so.  Perhaps the silver lining to that cloud would be that sorting out one would be a silver lining to sorting out several.  I've offered a hands on opportunity to sort out one.  Hopefully it'll work out.

My bike is running great. No pinging, no retarded lag no nothing. I think the technical term is raped ape. What's wrong with the rest of you yahoos out there? You must be doing something wrong because my bike is running great. You all must be a bunch of newbies that don't know what you're doing. Rookies!

Vroom Vroom.

[FR8TRN]

I've got to be in the DC area occasionally.  Further suggested that I'd ride the bike back to let them have it for a day sometime later this summer.  They could do a quick re-install of the TMax and then dyno tune the bike and system together. 

I asked that such a dyno tune be on their dime as part of the process to make the system work as advertised.  I'd be supplying the travel, my own time (so far and to get it there) and the test-mule-problem-child for them to add to their learning curve to hopefully help other riders.

It seems a fair middle ground.  Hopefully first of the week will see a positive response.

Well I'd be a might bit offended if ya didn't let us know when you'd be happenin out this way.  I'm bout 45 minutes from Zippers..........

Now ya see, my problem was that they don't have a map close enough to my setup (just for review, 96" upgraded to a HD Stage I 103") and trying to work it all out with them I suggested I bring it in and they Dyno it there, then they'd have a map for this new for 2007 setup and we'd all be happy.  The tech I was dealing with recommended I not, as they are a bit rough on the test mules on the Dyno, not like I don't beat on it enough but I took his advice and we continued trying, to no avail.  So I hope it works out for ya......and if it gets me a chance to shake your hand and buy ya a Soda (sorry, I don't drink that fire water stuff) then all the better.

[Chief]

It would be wise to ignore anything typed at this keyboard tonight. It's Mexican night ya know.

[Twolanerider]

My bike is running great. No pinging, no retarded lag no nothing. I think the technical term is raped ape. What's wrong with the rest of you yahoos out there? You must be doing something wrong because my bike is running great. You all must be a bunch of newbies that don't know what you're doing. Rookies!

Vroom Vroom.

Well of course it runs fast.  Anything with jugs that hot wants to go fast just get off of itself  !

[Twolanerider]

Well I'd be a might bit offended if ya didn't let us know when you'd be happenin out this way.  I'm bout 45 minutes from Zippers..........

Now ya see, my problem was that they don't have a map close enough to my setup (just for review, 96" upgraded to a HD Stage I 103") and trying to work it all out with them I suggested I bring it in and they Dyno it there, then they'd have a map for this new for 2007 setup and we'd all be happy.  The tech I was dealing with recommended I not, as they are a bit rough on the test mules on the Dyno, not like I don't beat on it enough but I took his advice and we continued trying, to no avail.  So I hope it works out for ya......and if it gets me a chance to shake your hand and buy ya a Soda (sorry, I don't drink that fire water stuff) then all the better.

If I'm close will definitely let you know.  You can count on it.

Did the "test mule" excuse sound a bit thin to you or did the gentleman sound sincere?  Really, can they offer a dyno tuning service that is so abusive they shouldn't really offer it?  It's not as if all the combination of bikes for which they have maps could have come from bikes they own.  So there has to be some dyno tuning of consumer bikes from which the map library is drawn.  Perhaps I'm still being too much the cynic.  But that one seems a bit evasive, seems a bit too much like wanting to avoid free dyno time.

Hey, but then again maybe not.  It's not Mexican night but it is  night.  So my own analyses might be a bit askewwwww.  That's alright though.  Finished cleaning the hot tub this afternoon.  All fresh and running good (and NO PING!).  FWB coming over in a bit and she's bring munchies and movies.  The evening it is planned  .

[Rhino]

JIM -  Sorry I have not responded earleir but life is a bit miserable now with the eyesight..It is interfereing no doubt.  But as to the problem you arew having, I am truly sympathetic, and wish I had input on that one.  Never had the YMAX shut down a cylinder though.    GIMME A BREAK< NORMALLY I CAN SPELL

TWO - I tried a couple times to get Fitz on the phone, but we palyed phone tag, I had wanted to throw somethng by him re the 'problem'. 

If the Module is set to an override position, like you said the stock is 13.1 in the box, it does not mean you are at 13.1 at all. Like the RT, it means nothing until the VE's are adjusted (that is RaceTune only).  Internally, the TMAX is constantly changeingnthe AFR's and the targets, each time, it is making a change to match what the map/module says to do.   It is basic, but i will get to the point.  A ;py ogf control is on 2 screens that one wants to leave alone, but the point is, go head and take the stoxk map, and label it something else.  (save as)

Now play with it by doing the following as a test.  This map you now change to, make sure you simpky erase the learned settings.  And now change the timing across the board, DOWN 2 points from the stock map setting. Hit savve.  You should now see the new line, while the stock line stays in place as a reminder. Dont erase that.

Now go to override on the module settings page..   Engage override.   Change the fuel to 12.0  Save again.  Now, make sure that this map, namwed whatever, is ready to load, and connect it up, load it, initialize it, 3 times,  and then read it and make sure blah blah blah.

OH, start it up and rife around the block.   Is the ping still there?  I think not. The next step is to stay with the end user maps and make some tweaks. Don't put a lot of emphasis opn the AFR's you are seeing. Ot is not a real number.  The monitoring screens will show you that.  But one step here, try it out.

Later
rHINO

[Unbalanced]

Jim,

Not sure if there is anyway to get your Stock ECM sent to you, but if you take some wire ties after disconnecting the thundermax you can wire tie down the wide band cables out of the way.   Leave the wide bands in place.  There are only 2 fault codes that will be given when you dont have the narrow band sensors connected and they clear each time you restart the bike its  U xxxx code.   The only thing with this is that it is annoying at night, but that is it its a yellow warning on the dash in the speedo.   I run this way all the time when I use the Daytona Wego IID system to check my air fuel ratios on the bike.    You won't hurt anything and it might allow you to enjoy some of your vacation if you can get the bike to fire on the rear cylinder.

Sorry the holiday is going the way it is for you, hopefully it will get better soon,

[jfh]

hdfr...In the interest of me trying to figure things out, did Zippers do your complete build, install, and tune in house, or did you get the parts and either do it yourself or have a shop do the work.  The point I'm interested in is whether they tuned the bike after the motor was built or provided you with a preloaded MAP?

I live relatively close to Zippers and had them do the complete install and tune. 

[jfh]

Odd how that worked out  . 
HDFR, glad yours is performing ok.  The numbers were seeing with some kind of issue on the site, relative to all the site members using it, is by itself a little worrisome.  That at least a few are experiencing the same kind of problem is even a bit more so.  Perhaps the silver lining to that cloud would be that sorting out one would be a silver lining to sorting out several.  I've offered a hands on opportunity to sort out one.  Hopefully it'll work out.

Don,
I agree that the problem seems to be common and a solution for one should solve the problem for many.

[FR8TRN]

Did the "test mule" excuse sound a bit thin to you or did the gentleman sound sincere?

No it wasn't thin, in fact it was the way he said it that made me agree with him.

OK, now before I throw some ideas out and offend someone....FWB??