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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2007, 08:36:56 AM »

Sorry 2lane,
No offense intended.  Your vocabulary was incredible and I was making light of how you said it not what was said.  I have been a nurse for >17 years and I HAVE seen all kinds and I applaud your care of your father...many will dump them in my lap so that I can do the things that you have done for your loved one.  I apologize again if I offended, not my intent and never will be...as a nurse and fellow CVO brother I can both empathize and sympathize. 

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Seeg, I remembered your billet and your duty.  So had a good idea where you were coming from.  And no offense taken (either way I hope).  For me it's just a topic I can be a little thin skinned on.  Ride safe  :2vrolijk_21: .
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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2007, 08:55:42 AM »

Howie, that's a tough decision I think only you can make, it's tough to risk going through the surgery, but they have made great strides in heart surgery, I have a good friend that had open heart surgery about 15 years ago, he's doing fine. The other option is less traumatic, but like you said thinning you blood, can lead to other issues in living your life. What ever you decide,will be the correct decision for you, we'll all be pulling for and keep you in our prayers.
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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2007, 09:03:19 AM »

Howie - not much I could add here that has not already been said.  Never met ya, but your passion for life is well represented by your passion for bikes.  Whatever you decide, you have the support of everyone here, including me. Something tells me you should also listen to Binx, not that you wouldn't.

Best of luck, the kind of luck that is extremely well informed and leads to your very best decisions.

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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2007, 09:10:05 AM »

Howie, we talked about my dad briefly the other night.  Cardiomyopathy (sic?) was one of his several ailments.  Was one of the several things that systemically ended up killing him.  By itself he was treated for it for several years though.  One of the many physicians that were part of his care told me that there was no surgical option for that particular of his many problems.

I honestly can't say if there was no surgical option because if was in fact one of many problems and he was, therefore, simply a poor surgical risk.  Or if there was simply no surgical alternative for that particular issue.  I actually researched it then.  But dad had so many issues over the last 10 years he was alive and it's been several years ago now that I don't remember how that particular question was actually answered.

Howie, if it's the hassle of the Coumadin dad did that too.  Properly monitored the risk apparently isn't quite as great as the fears might suggest.  He got some pretty significant injuries (table saw to the arm, old car's fan blade across the inside of the arm) and never dropped dead before I got the wounds handled locally and then hustled him off to the hospital.  Granted, those were wounds that could be seen rather than an internal bleed you might not know about until it's too late.  But hell, there's some risk to everything.

If it's also at least partly the hassle of getting used to taking the damned pills everyday that will actually pass.  I started taking high blood pressure meds (something I apparently at least partially inherited from my dad and his dad before him and......) when I was 33.  It took most of year to find a combination and dosage that worked well.  Have now been swallowing the same damn things in the morning for a dozen years.  It was annoying for awhile.  After that it's just habit.  No big deal.

If there's a fix then listen to the options.  But research on your own whatever the buggers tell you.  There's a reason it's called the Medical Arts and Sciences.  The part that makes it hard on us as laymen is that the "Art" part is sometimes finger paints.

Thanks Don! I have no problem with the routine and have been steady for over 6 months. Like I said, if there's a reasonable surgical repair, I'd take the risk and fix it. But if not, I'll stick w/the routine and not worry about it anymore. It is what it is! You ain't getting rid of me that easy! ;D Hoist! 8)
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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2007, 09:11:25 AM »

They also call it the PRACTICE of medicine...inspires confidence...don't it.

I thought practice makes perfect. I want the guy that has practided to the point that he's perfect! ::) Hoist! 8)
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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2007, 09:14:07 AM »

Open heart surgery takes a while to recover from , my mom has quad bypass.  IF it's a viable option , it would be worth considering , but you will be on medication and recovery for the better part of a year till your back to "normal"

Thanks Nidan! I've considered that. If there is that option, and can reasonably be assured of a successful repair, I'd deal w/the recovery period. If it means staying on medication, there'd be no point in that, since I already am.

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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2007, 09:18:16 AM »

What up Howie. Well I guess until you find out your options staying the course you are on right know is the way to go. If I was posed with the same dillema I would also be searching out exhaustively all my options and wouldn't be satisfied until that point. Keep your spirits high you have an extended family behind you that will do anything for you. As to taking pills daily, well if it was a small insurance policy while I was doing my research then that is what I would do.,just like you are. I would be doing everything you are doing with no exception. I'm in your corner if you need anything. There always will be opinions from the masses,doctors,friends and family it's your job to wade through all of it and make a solid well thought out decision and whatever it is you know you made it and will live by it. Be good Bro,Q

Thanks so much John. I feel the same way about this place! That's why I felt comfortable enough to pose the question to ya'll. You people are the absolute best! I couldn't be luckier than to have found this great site, with all you wonderful, caring people. I appreciate all of your concerns and blessings! :2vrolijk_21: Hoist ain't going down so quick without a good fight!!! Thanks again from the bottom of my heart!

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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2007, 09:20:09 AM »

Howie, that's a tough decision I think only you can make, it's tough to risk going through the surgery, but they have made great strides in heart surgery, I have a good friend that had open heart surgery about 15 years ago, he's doing fine. The other option is less traumatic, but like you said thinning you blood, can lead to other issues in living your life. What ever you decide,will be the correct decision for you, we'll all be pulling for and keep you in our prayers.

Thank you Talon. I appreciate your genuine concern! :2vrolijk_21: Hoist! 8)
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« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2007, 09:22:50 AM »

Howie - not much I could add here that has not already been said.  Never met ya, but your passion for life is well represented by your passion for bikes.  Whatever you decide, you have the support of everyone here, including me. Something tells me you should also listen to Binx, not that you wouldn't.

Best of luck, the kind of luck that is extremely well informed and leads to your very best decisions.

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Thanks iski! Binx is going with me on Tuesday for this consultation. We'll both be involved in the decision making process. She does support any decision I need to make. But my decision in the end will also be based on what's best for my family, besides myself. Thank you for the support!

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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2007, 09:30:41 AM »

Howie, just read an article about a new wonder drug from Benoit Pharmaceuticals.  A cure-all for heart problems.  Only down side is these huge pills you have to take come on a string and aren't taken orally  ??? .
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« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2007, 09:34:16 AM »

Howie, just read an article about a new wonder drug from Benoit Pharmaceuticals.  A cure-all for heart problems.  Only down side is these huge pills you have to take come on a string and aren't taken orally  ??? .

I love Coumadin! ;D Hoist! 8)
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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2007, 10:45:04 AM »

Howie, this medium is not for me but here goes. I believe you will overcome this dilemma and do as you  always have, live to ride and ride to live. if i’d known that i would have made it this long i’d taken much better care of myself. with the right attitude the human body can work miracles.



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Thanks for the encouragement TN! One day we all wake up dead. I'm not up to that yet! Just exploring my options right now, in case my Dr's being conservative on my teatment. But I'm sucking air and walking (and riding!), so no one's got it better than me! ;) Hoist! 8)
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Re: Surgery vs. Pills for Life?
« Reply #73 on: July 26, 2007, 11:03:19 AM »

Thanks for the encouragement TN! One day we all wake up dead :nixweiss:. I'm not up to that yet! Just exploring my options right now, in case my Dr's being conservative on my teatment. But I'm sucking air and walking (and riding!), so no one's got it better than me! ;) Hoist! 8)
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« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2007, 12:08:38 PM »

Thanks man! I'm resolved to this routine. I've seen the black spot. I've seen the pooling. So as long as this stuff is doing what it's supposed to (which I want to be convinced of too), fixing it would be the only other option. But if I can get off of it, I'd prefer to do so. But I'm not just gonna just stop. Geez, Binx would kill me. And that would defeat the purpose! ::) Hoist! 8)

You got that right!!! We'll get through this together...I'm not ready to get rid of you yet.  :-*
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