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[vagabond6542]

Well everyone,
Here's an update.  I have been researching this problem of Ping and detonation.
Those of you, who have not done anything to your engines, you are blessed. To those who have done what is necessary to make the 110 rideable, you know as well as I do, The rider/owner is screwed to buying what is necessary to make it happen. H-D did this intentionally to make money.
The least I can get away with expensewise additions is a Stage 1 download(H-D warranty approved) and a Stage 1 Aircleaner Kit(H-D warranty approved).  Then my ping and detonation should subside. Go Figure.

[Unbalanced]

Vagabond,

There is no stage1 download available for the 110's there was a update to the stock ecm flash, but that was all.
As far as adding an air cleaner to it you will then go ahead and make the engine to lean and freaking hot that I would not suggest doing this without adding pipes.   It's your motor to do as you see fit, but why would you subject your legs or your pride and joy to this.

[vagabond6542]

Vagabond,

There is no stage1 download available for the 110's there was a update to the stock ecm flash, but that was all.
As far as adding an air cleaner to it you will then go ahead and make the engine to lean and freaking hot that I would not suggest doing this without adding pipes.   It's your motor to do as you see fit, but why would you subject your legs or your pride and joy to this.

Unbalanced,
The topic of Stage 1 came from a dealership in the area that I will be taking it to have diagnostics run on.
The person who handles "warranties" assured me that was the only way to go.
I have a TM/AT to install, but was nixed because H-D doesn't approve it.
I agree the mixture is "out of wack" with the timing imposed on the engine, but how do you  and H-D is the wall.  And I am trying to save the "pride and joy".  I would rather park it than ride it, if I knew I was destroying it.

[Chief]

Unbalanced,
The topic of Stage 1 came from a dealership in the area that I will be taking it to have diagnostics run on.
The person who handles "warranties" assured me that was the only way to go.
I have a TM/AT to install, but was nixed because H-D doesn't approve it.
I agree the mixture is "out of wack" with the timing imposed on the engine, but how do you  and H-D is the wall.  And I am trying to save the "pride and joy".  I would rather park it than ride it, if I knew I was destroying it.

I would suggest a SERT or PC to correct the lean mixture. That will set you free.

[Unbalanced]

Vagabond,

You maybe calling it a stage1, but it is a harley reflash that was initiated some months ago.   Again I can not strongly enough suggest that I wouldn't  do this without some other means of tuning it.

-harry

[vagabond6542]

I would suggest a SERT or PC to correct the lean mixture. That will set you free.

Chief,
Boy , would I like to be set free.
Bad side is H-D again. Warranty issues. And my pocketbook is only so big.
But thanks for the offering.

[vagabond6542]

Vagabond,

You maybe calling it a stage1, but it is a harley reflash that was initiated some months ago.   Again I can not strongly enough suggest that I wouldn't  do this without some other means of tuning it.

-harry

Unbalanced,
I'm thinking of the reflash only to see if the conditions improve. I'm trying to keep from throwing about a year and a half warranty out the window. Otherwise, do what has to be done, or park it.

[Chief]

Chief,
Boy , would I like to be set free.
Bad side is H-D again. Warranty issues. And my pocketbook is only so big.
But thanks for the offering.

Vagabond,

Don't be so worried about the warranty. If your dealer does the work, most likely they won't kill the warranty, especially if the problem you have is common on the 110's, like the bad head gaskets. If they threaten you with a voided warranty, can you find another dealer?

Currently, my bike is in for bad head gasket, 2nd time, and inconsistent ACR's. I am running the PC, and the SM knows the PC did not cause the bad ACRs or head gaskets, so no problem. Talk with your dealer. Maybe they'll put a SERT on it for you and let you keep your warranty intact.

Good luck,

[Hoist!]

Chief,
Boy , would I like to be set free.
Bad side is H-D again. Warranty issues. And my pocketbook is only so big.
But thanks for the offering.

Find another dealer who will get your bike setup properly, and also cover your w.....ty at the same time. Hoist!

[hdfatboy]

Find another dealer who will get your bike setup properly, and also cover your w.....ty at the same time. Hoist!

I would be more skeptical about having work done by a dealer who keeps throwing around the word "void" when speaking of warranty issues and aftermarket parts. I gotta agree with Hoist - find someone else who'll do the work and not give you grief. They can only void your warranty if they can prove the part caused the problem. I think your issue is the dealer rather than HD. Just my $ .02.

[vagabond6542]

Find another dealer who will get your bike setup properly, and also cover your w.....ty at the same time. Hoist!

Hoist,
That is what I am hoping for when I drop off the Pride and Joy to have diagnostics done. I will probably dialogue what my options could be and how far I can go.  I really want to know if the engine is still healthy after all the commotion it has displayed in the last 200 miles.  After I am sure of that, Well, Bro, I will be doing what you have been doing to get a good machine out there. It will run better. And H-D be hanged.

[Hoist!]

Hoist,
That is what I am hoping for when I drop off the Pride and Joy to have diagnostics done. I will probably dialogue what my options could be and how far I can go.  I really want to know if the engine is still healthy after all the commotion it has displayed in the last 200 miles.  After I am sure of that, Well, Bro, I will be doing what you have been doing to get a good machine out there. It will run better. And H-D be hanged.

Go get 'em vag! Mine's just about ready. Most people won't go as far as I did and aren't looking for the power I pulled out of it. But since I was pulling it apart, there was no reason not to have the best chit available inside. Hang in a little longer. I'll post a final build and pics. But there's no reason these 110's aren't long distance worthy! All HD's are. They just need some help is all!

Hoist!

[vagabond6542]

Go get 'em vag! Mine's just about ready. Most people won't go as far as I did and aren't looking for the power I pulled out of it. But since I was pulling it apart, there was no reason not to have the best chit available inside. Hang in a little longer. I'll post a final build and pics. But there's no reason these 110's aren't long distance worthy! All HD's are. They just need some help is all!

Hoist!

Thanks Hoist,
I guess a little attitude adjustment was all I needed. I never lost faith in H-D, I just think that they should listen to the customers(riders/owners) to get their direction straight.
Thanks again, It will run better and right. 

[vagabond6542]

Update.
Had engine in for 5k checkup.  Primary auto tensioner was too tight, and warranty took care of it.
On the overheat and pinging, H-D hasn't any solution for it as far as the 110 is concerned. They know that it is underfueled.  But will bust you if you use anything non-stock. All that are not having trouble with their 110's, you are blessed.

PS
Stay away from ethenol in the fuel. You wouldn't believe the racket it can cause.

[Midnight Rider]

Update.
Had engine in for 5k checkup.  Primary auto tensioner was too tight, and warranty took care of it.
On the overheat and pinging, H-D hasn't any solution for it as far as the 110 is concerned. They know that it is underfueled.  But will bust you if you use anything non-stock. All that are not having trouble with their 110's, you are blessed.

PS
Stay away from ethenol in the fuel. You wouldn't believe the racket it can cause.

V...almost every person on this board has modified their exhaust, intake, and had a fuel management device like a SERT, PCIIIUSB, or Tmax installed and a better tune for the engine.  Most have been done by their dealer.  If your dealer is unwilling to do what it takes to make this bike run cooler, I'd consider finding another dealer who will.  My 2 cents...