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Amsoil change intervals ???
« on: August 11, 2007, 08:53:17 AM »

How many miles are you running on Amsoil ?? Ordered on thrus 2 case of 20/50 came in fri waiting on K&N filters going to change all of the bikes to Amsoil and hope it helps that 110 in  heat reduction . Amsoil said I can use 20/50 in all three holes what do you think??????
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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2007, 09:01:58 AM »

I run Amsoil in the motor and change it every 5k per MoCo recommendation. You can run it in all three holes and many do, however I run Redline Heavy Duty Shock Proof in transmission and Redline MTL in primary (also change the Redline every 5k).

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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2007, 09:47:19 AM »

I run Amsoil in the motor and change it every 5k per MoCo recommendation. You can run it in all three holes and many do, however I run Redline Heavy Duty Shock Proof in transmission and Redline MTL in primary (also change the Redline every 5k).

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A big second on the Heavy Shock...Was coming home form Tulsa abou a month ago ,noticed by speedo going from 70 to 0 and back to 70 . Thought HMMMM must be bad sensor. Got back to Dallas and pulled my earplugs out and heard this God awful noise when I let off. Marbles in the trans kinda sound>>. Pull it down and find out the lip that holds the drive bearing in the trans case is broken and lets the gear set slide over and takes out the needle bearings..on one of the gears. Still shifts fine..couldn't believe it Not Good. I rode it over 300 miles that way  not knowing what was going on. I believe that the Heavy Shock saved my A** on this one. Could of just locked up but it didn't. Changing out Trans today for new SE 6 speed. I will post pics of the damaged pieces. I've got my take on this ....The fine Auto  Primary chain tensionr the HD  sells ,I believe caused this issue. More to come>>> Anyway,, Heavy Shock ROCKS>>>> Dood>> Ya goin to Hot Springs????? Greg   
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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2007, 09:47:36 AM »

Amsoil states that it can go 5K but i prefer to change the engine oil and filter out every 2.5 - 3k. I use it in the engine and primary. The primary and the tranny gets changed every other engine oil change. I prefer the amsoil 75/140 severe gear lube or redline shockproof in the tranny.

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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2007, 09:55:43 AM »


A big second on the Heavy Shock...Was coming home form Tulsa abou a month ago ,noticed by speedo going from 70 to 0 and back to 70 . Thought HMMMM must be bad sensor. Got back to Dallas and pulled my earplugs out and heard this God awful noise when I let off. Marbles in the trans kinda sound>>. Pull it down and find out the lip that holds the drive bearing in the trans case is broken and lets the gear set slide over and takes out the needle bearings..on one of the gears. Still shifts fine..couldn't believe it Not Good. I rode it over 300 miles that way  not knowing what was going on. I believe that the Heavy Shock saved my A** on this one. Could of just locked up but it didn't. Changing out Trans today for new SE 6 speed. I will post pics of the damaged pieces. I've got my take on this ....The fine Auto  Primary chain tensionr the HD  sells ,I believe caused this issue. More to come>>> Anyway,, Heavy Shock ROCKS>>>> Dood>> Ya goin to Hot Springs????? Greg   
At this time doesn't look like I'll be making it. :(

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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2007, 11:09:05 AM »

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There isn't a local source for Redline oils.  Is it my best bet to order from the shipping dealers listed in the Redline web site?

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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2007, 11:37:31 AM »

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There isn't a local source for Redline oils.  Is it my best bet to order from the shipping dealers listed in the Redline web site?

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If that's the only way to get it you should be fine. I get mine from CDOC who are about 25 miles from me. They will do shipping so you can use them to compare prices including shipping from some that are on the Redline website. Good luck.

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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2007, 12:17:28 PM »

How many miles are you running on Amsoil ?? Ordered on thrus 2 case of 20/50 came in fri waiting on K&N filters going to change all of the bikes to Amsoil and hope it helps that 110 in  heat reduction . Amsoil said I can use 20/50 in all three holes what do you think??????
skippy,

I would stick to the H-D specified intervals.  I believe the intervals on the '07 are 5k engine, 10k primary, and 20k transmission.  Even though many folks selling synthetics claim they can go with extended drain intervals, I really wouldn't recommend it on an air cooled V-twin.  

I personally prefer the Redline Shockproof Heavy in the trans, as opposed to running motor oil.  As for the primary, it's not a big deal what you use as long as it's compatible with a wet clutch.  Amsoil will work just fine.

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2007, 02:03:26 PM »

If that's the only way to get it you should be fine. I get mine from CDOC who are about 25 miles from me. They will do shipping so you can use them to compare prices including shipping from some that are on the Redline website. Good luck.

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Re: Amsoil change intervals ???
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2007, 07:26:45 PM »

Just ordered Red Line from Summit Racing.  Got it in 2 days.  They even threw in a hat.  Shipping was reasonable too. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2007, 08:35:53 PM »

Amsoil states that it can go 5K but i prefer to change the engine oil and filter out every 2.5 - 3k. I use it in the engine and primary. The primary and the tranny gets changed every other engine oil change. I prefer the amsoil 75/140 severe gear lube or redline shockproof in the tranny.

Jim, if a synthetic oil does not loose its viscosity but requires that the oil filter be changed to keep the oil clean, would you change the oil so often? I am not picking, just wondering.  The people I talked to at amsoil said that one could only change the filters every 5000 miles and top off the oil instead of changing it.
I also change my oil about every 3000 miles because it is cheaper than a new motor.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2007, 09:46:13 PM »

Jim, if a synthetic oil does not loose its viscosity but requires that the oil filter be changed to keep the oil clean, would you change the oil so often? I am not picking, just wondering.  The people I talked to at amsoil said that one could only change the filters every 5000 miles and top off the oil instead of changing it.
I also change my oil about every 3000 miles because it is cheaper than a new motor.

I keep changing frequently too, but I am starting to think that's a waste of good oil.  This syn stuff is TOUGH!

 How long did the amsoil folks say the oil would last if you kept it clean?
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2007, 10:55:26 PM »

Jim, if a synthetic oil does not loose its viscosity but requires that the oil filter be changed to keep the oil clean, would you change the oil so often? I am not picking, just wondering.  The people I talked to at amsoil said that one could only change the filters every 5000 miles and top off the oil instead of changing it.I also change my oil about every 3000 miles because it is cheaper than a new motor.

There's a lot more to the issue than viscosity or even "dirt".  Modern oils, synthetic or "dyno", contain additives that do things like help keep the engine clean, neutralize acids, prevent corrosion, protect under extreme pressure, etc.  The additives eventually break down or are "used up", and changing the oil becomes necessary to replenish the additives.  This is the same reason you need to change coolant or brake fluid, even though they are in a sealed system.

The folks who sell synthetics have pushed the idea of extended drain intervals since the beginning, mostly to help convince people to try it and to help justify the much higher price.  I've personally used Mobil 1 in all my vehicles for the past 7 years, but I continue to follow normal drain intervals. The only situation where I would consider extended intervals is if I were running a fleet of commercial vehicles that accumulated lots of highway miles over a short period of time.

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 07:09:21 PM »

There's a lot more to the issue than viscosity or even "dirt".  Modern oils, synthetic or "dyno", contain additives that do things like help keep the engine clean, neutralize acids, prevent corrosion, protect under extreme pressure, etc.  The additives eventually break down or are "used up", and changing the oil becomes necessary to replenish the additives.  This is the same reason you need to change coolant or brake fluid, even though they are in a sealed system.

The folks who sell synthetics have pushed the idea of extended drain intervals since the beginning, mostly to help convince people to try it and to help justify the much higher price.  I've personally used Mobil 1 in all my vehicles for the past 7 years, but I continue to follow normal drain intervals. The only situation where I would consider extended intervals is if I were running a fleet of commercial vehicles that accumulated lots of highway miles over a short period of time.

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Jerry, I have been running Amsoil in engines since 1978 or 79, can't remember exact date but I was racing dirt bikes and they were supplying me oil then.
I now have a 1987 Ford E 350 van with the 7.3L diesel. It has 517,250 miles on it now. I have run Amsoil 15w40 since 2000 miles. I change the filter every 12,500 miles and then both oil and filter at 25,000 miles. Just had the compression checked before having the glow plugs replaced and the mechanic thought it had a new motor. He wanted to know why I didn't replace glow plugs and injectors when the motor was changed. Had to inform him it was the original motor.
In our old 60 series Detroits, with over 25,000 hours on them we have  never changed the oil. It has one of Amsoils external oil filter systems. You loose 1 gallon of oil every time you change filters. I guess the supplements you mention get replenished enough when you top off the oil when changing filters.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2007, 08:47:57 PM »

Jerry, I have been running Amsoil in engines since 1978 or 79, can't remember exact date but I was racing dirt bikes and they were supplying me oil then.
I now have a 1987 Ford E 350 van with the 7.3L diesel. It has 517,250 miles on it now. I have run Amsoil 15w40 since 2000 miles. I change the filter every 12,500 miles and then both oil and filter at 25,000 miles. Just had the compression checked before having the glow plugs replaced and the mechanic thought it had a new motor. He wanted to know why I didn't replace glow plugs and injectors when the motor was changed. Had to inform him it was the original motor.
In our old 60 series Detroits, with over 25,000 hours on them we have  never changed the oil. It has one of Amsoils external oil filter systems. You loose 1 gallon of oil every time you change filters. I guess the supplements you mention get replenished enough when you top off the oil when changing filters.

And this is why I don't get wound up about changing my oil real frequently...  I keep hearing this stuff!  Not to mention that every time I've torn down a motor for whatever reason, even with as lax as I am about oil changes, I never have "bad oil or lubrication" indications in the motor.  I do however stick to good synthetics exclusively...

I wonder how long my 103 would last if I just stopped changing the oil at all......  (that's still kinda scary, eh?)  I wonder if the amount of money we throw in the motor is really saving us any money in the long run?
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