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[Unbalanced]

Mobe,

I have version 4.1.0 build date sept 13, 2004

I do not have this option in my software even with the tuning file you proposed.  I am wondering if it is based on software versioning as I do not have the otpion seen at this time or enabled at this time.

Could you go to the tuning mode software and go to help then about and tell me the version of the software you have and the build date.

I am trying to figure out now whats different between what you have and what I have.

Thanks in advance,

[Hotrodracer]

I talked with the guy (Red) that does the dyno tunning at The Woodlands HD store (Houston) the other day about the ECM on my 05 FBSE. He said that he could do a custom map on my bike and flash the ECM to change it. This would be RACE TUNNING and that I would not need any Power Commander or anything else like that. I have also talked with a lot of other people about ECM's & what can be done with them. What I have found out is that our ECM's are like the ones on cars they can be reprogramed and  with the new settings will act  like normal. That means that they will change the settings as needed ie. weather ect.

Have set mine up to be done this week. When finished I will let everyone know how it does.

[Unbalanced]

Yes HotRod you can / they can do this and that is what I have already done.  however what I am missing is 2 settings / configurations options that Mobe is seeing from within the software that came with my purchase 4 moths ago.   I am presuming that his software also came with his race tuner.

I would like to make the modifications that he (Mobe)  has already tinkered with, but I don't have the options from within my software.

HotRod
Before they install the software and dyno tune your bike make sure you get a dyno sheet that includes air / fuel ratios in SAE format not Standard and done in 4th Gear NOT 5th.    Personally I would want smoothing at no greater than 2 (can go as high as 5 with dynojet dyno)  so you have an accurate picture of how well the dyno tuning has helped you.


I have many many custom maps for the SE 103 from a very rich one to a very lean one as well as many of the changes we made along the way just to give baseline for making changes on my own.

Hotrod, if you're buying the race tuner make sure that they give you a copy of the Map in MT5 format that they make for you for your bike.    This will enable you to make changes or bring it somewhere else if you ever want to modify it again and not have to start from scratch.

Best of Luck with your Tuning   We look forward to seeing your Dyno Sheets of before and after

[Unbalanced]

Mobe,

Here is what I see when I go to the area you described I also added in the help / about picture of the version of the software I have.

Thanks again,

[smiley=worthless.gif]

[MObe]

Mobe,

I have version 4.1.0 build date sept 13, 2004

I do not have this option in my software even with the tuning file you proposed.

[Unbalanced]

Mobe,

That is what I suspected was the answer.   I am trying right now to locate the newest software through 2 different dealships that I can either have or make a copy of.

I appreciate your help in identifying what it is that I need to get.

Many thanks,

[Unbalanced]

Et All,

Beware buying your race tuner make sure you get the latest software because it will be hellish trying to get it.   The latest software is 4.1.2 January 2005 release.

I never thought this would be so difficult.   Well getting the software in an original form seems to be a HUGE issue.   So, I called the MOTO Corp.   I am now waiting for the Customer Service Manager to call me back Rusty Dwire.   They will not give me his bosses name.   They want to charge me 20.00 per CD to update my package that I bought less the 4 months ago that came with Sept 04 software.   Hell I bought both my new race tuners in March / April and should have gotten the newest software with them not the stuff they had sitting on the shelf.   Lets see if Rusty calls me back I am taking bets on the case that he doesnt call me at all.

/Frustrated consumer.

[Twolanerider]

Et All,

Beware buying your race tuner make sure you get the latest software because it will be hellish trying to get it.

[Unbalanced]

Twolanerider,  I so agree with almost everything you said in its entirety.  Although the RT may actually work in regards to the pump or pulling fuel off on decelleration and if that is the case then it does more for me than the power commander would have based on the opinions and some of the things I have read and seen posted here on the site.  That being said it could be all worth while or at least I will keep telling myself this until I actually get to see it for myself.   (makes me swallow this waste of time without wanting to hurt someone)
I am yet to hear anyone say that the accell pump on the PC actually works as advertised .   Some of the people have it off and can tell no difference.  Unfortunately the PC I own is not the usb edition with the fuel pump, so I can not check it for myself or I would.   The quest for the answer though isnt worth 279.00 plus shipping and paying someone for the dyno time to know.

Status update,

What an afternoon of utter frustration.   It seems that Rusty Dwire actually may end up delivering.   It took a while to sway him as he wanted to make sure the dealership that I was dealing with had the correct software.   He put me on hold this time on his nickel and called them and had them do the upgrade of their software to the latest software while I was on the phone to be sure I wasn't wasting more time when I went there the end of the week.   Now the package is open the software is open and yet they woudlnt give me this open package while they would wait for another replacement to come in.   Ugghh why not its already opened the dealship could wait vs. another inconvienance to me.  (didnt work)

He just couldn't understand why I would want my own copy or why I just had to have these features.   Keeping this in mind I said if the features weren't at all important why was there an update and these features added.  
Obviously someone felt them important enough with backfiring on decelleration and accelleration issues that they may be needed.   He pretty much even said the new air cleaners in the SE Kit are to pass EPA vs. the old K&N ones.   Be Aware that if you buy the new SCREAMING EAGLE AIR CLEANER you no long get a K&N Filter with it.    He then proceeded to tell me that these features I desire will will not work in an 04 bike, but will in the 05 bike.

I personally am finding that hard to believe, because when I put my 04 on the data gathering software I see changes happening in accell and decell columns.   I will let you know when I get the software if he was just blowing smoke to try and not send 2 copies.

Now on to the frustration boiling point.   When I had spoke to the original women she said they had the copies and were willing to sell them to me for$20.00 each, but when Rusty got involved there were 3 already back ordered and they supposedly had none and he had no idea when they would produce more, but that he would send me a copy of the most up to date software.

He pretty much has agreed to send me 1 copy not 2, but I really only need 1 so the war seems to have been won with a small concession of 1 copy vs. 2.

I sit here tonight and still can not believe it took 5 hours and 3 long distance long phone calls to get him to promise to cough up an up to date copy of the software that I should have gotten in the first place and without such a hassle.   He finally agreed that it shouldn't have taken this much effort which was little consolation after the fact.

/wooopie a concession

[Twolanerider]

Good grief UB, that's incredible.  Completely and totally without justification that a consumer has to go through that much grief just to get a damn disc; that they still haven't supplied to you yet.

[Unbalanced]

All I say to your comments TwoLane is AMEN

[Coolbreeze]

How sad...  It sounds like my dealership has now diversified and opened up a sulocated franchise!  My heart goes out to you... [smiley=cry2.gif]

[Hotrodracer]

Ck this system out http://www.highperformanceproducts.com/twincam.html
I have talked with Gary about his system and it seem like one of the best I have foun so far. Also if you have any questions you can email him and he will call you back.

Unbalanced, ck him out & let us know what you think...

[Unbalanced]

HotRod,

I looked at the dyno sheets he has online and they are honestly horrible to nothing special fuel curves not a single one is flat on the ones he has listed.    To be honest if he is posting stuff that isnt even top notch as his advertisement to gain business I really wouldnt be interested in going further.

I would expect someone who is showing off his product to have FLAT fuel lines and decent numbers.  

just my 2 coppers.

[Hotrodracer]

Thanks for your reply!!!  I am looking for the best way to go.  Am leaning toward the RT with dyno tune( I just hate to spend $700.00) to make something run right that should have been done at the factory.