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Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« on: November 15, 2007, 04:43:56 PM »

Ok, my motor's out and apart. Vern measured the runout on the pinion shaft and it was .003" as previously measured. But what about the other side? He measured it on the comp side and it was .007"! :o

As far as I know, that's a total runout of .010"! Here I was thinking that my bottom was halfway decent. I now find out that it sucks!!! How many of us are measuring one side only when we check runout? I don't believe now that we're getting the whole picture. :confused5:

Everything we're doing now seems fully justified to get a REAL engine in my bike! That stock 110 engine is one all-over-the-place POS!!! :smilie_daumenneg:

When you're checking stuff gang, get the complete picture. What you don't know, still might hurt you! ;)

Let's hear from the experts now please. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 07:14:38 PM »

had the same thing on a crate 96 inch evo about 5 years ago,,4000 miles on her,,,not just twin cam my friend,,comp side also,,,hmmmmm :-X
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2007, 07:42:44 PM »

I'm not an expert, but I play one on TV.....         :vrolijk_11:
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 11:00:07 PM »

Hey Howie, bought new forged crank from Jim's. Runout was .0005 hope after dyno tune was still OK. Motor runs good .1500 Miles so far, keeping my fingers crossed. Bob
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 09:23:36 AM »

Are you going to have the crank welded??
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 09:37:02 AM »

Are you going to have the crank welded??

Nope, I'm using a new Timkin only S&S Forged 4-3/8" Stroker Crank, and doing the Timkin conversion on new HD cases. I'm getting rid of any HD parts in this motor (except the cases) and not looking back! ;)

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2007, 10:44:54 AM »

Nope, I'm using a new Timkin only S&S Forged 4-3/8" Stroker Crank, and doing the Timkin conversion on new HD cases. I'm getting rid of any HD parts in this motor (except the cases) and not looking back! ;)

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2007, 11:28:17 AM »

All that money....why half step?  Go ahead and get the Delkron cases, too.

Nobody makes cases for the '06Dyna/'07's/'08's but HD and Jims, or I would have! That's the only reason I got new HD cases for this build JC. ;)

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 01:40:40 PM »

Ok, my motor's out and apart. Vern measured the runout on the pinion shaft and it was .003" as previously measured. But what about the other side? He measured it on the comp side and it was .007"! :o

As far as I know, that's a total runout of .010"! Here I was thinking that my bottom was halfway decent. I now find out that it sucks!!! How many of us are measuring one side only when we check runout? I don't believe now that we're getting the whole picture. :confused5:

Everything we're doing now seems fully justified to get a REAL engine in my bike! That stock 110 engine is one all-over-the-place POS!!! :smilie_daumenneg:

When you're checking stuff gang, get the complete picture. What you don't know, still might hurt you! ;)

Let's hear from the experts now please. :2vrolijk_21:

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                  Hoist,
So when you do he primary side  do you put the cam cover backin place so you get an honest reading?? just curious.
                        Happy
                                 
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 01:58:19 PM »

                  Hoist,
So when you do he primary side  do you put the cam cover backin place so you get an honest reading?? just curious.
                        Happy
                                 

Not quite sure, but I don't think so. I assume he checked the runouts after he took things apart, just before he pulled the motor out of the bike. I'll ask how he took the measurements. Thanks.

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 03:13:07 PM »

Well Hoist you have the right idea. Use nothing harley if possible. I had a good builder for my 113 and he made the mistake of using the harley cylindars. Yah we did timken yah we balanced and welded crank yah we decked cylindar tops. We used harley head gaskets. About 5000 mi -- leak. Rebuilt using cometic , and the head gaskets are fine .About 5000 mi more base is leaking. Also know that the cylindars are flexing.
I am pulling the plug. I love the awesome power on this engine but I ride cross country far from home. Got to have a ride I can rely on. I am keeping my old reliable 04 flhtcse with its moderately rebuilt 103, but my 07 yellow monster is going. Im welcomming a k1200gt to my stable for long hauls.
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2007, 03:18:46 PM »

Well Hoist you have the right idea. Use nothing harley if possible. I had a good builder for my 113 and he made the mistake of using the harley cylindars. Yah we did timken yah we balanced and welded crank yah we decked cylindar tops. We used harley head gaskets. About 5000 mi -- leak. Rebuilt using cometic , and the head gaskets are fine .About 5000 mi more base is leaking. Also know that the cylindars are flexing.
I am pulling the plug. I love the awesome power on this engine but I ride cross country far from home. Got to have a ride I can rely on. I am keeping my old reliable 04 flhtcse with its moderately rebuilt 103, but my 07 yellow monster is going. Im welcomming a k1200gt to my stable for long hauls.

Well, you've gone this far. You can get 4.06" Axtell Barrels, that use a Base Gasket design, not the O-ring, and put it back together using the existing 4.06" pistons. It'd be a shame to love the bike, have gone as far as you have, then bail on it, when one more fix will probably do the trick. Good luck with it mr! ;)

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2007, 03:26:03 PM »

I'm not an expert, but I play one on TV.....         :vrolijk_11:

I'm not either, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!  :D
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2007, 03:47:52 PM »

I'm not either, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!  :D

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2007, 04:30:07 PM »

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