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[Black Diamond]

Well I talked with my builder today. Turns out my rear cylinder head gasket leak was caused by the cylinder sleeve/liner moving. I'm going to the shop today to look it over. If I can see anything, I post some pictures. I'm looking at replacing them with Axtell jugs.

This is ridiculous. The service rep happened by after my guys identified the problem. His response was that the MoCo knows the problem exist but could not offer anything further. Bunch of crap. I think Harley would know how to make a cylinder!  

More later.

[Hoist!]

Well I talked with my builder today. Turns out my rear cylinder head gasket leak was caused by the cylinder sleeve/liner moving. I'm going to the shop today to look it over. If I can see anything, I post some pictures. I'm looking at replacing them with Axtell jugs.

This is ridiculous. The service rep happened by after my guys identified the problem. His response was that the MoCo knows the problem exist but could not offer anything further. Bunch of crap. I think Harley would know how to make a cylinder!  

More later.

You got that right Jeff. That's exactly why I gave up on them. Missing a good part of 1 season of riding was enough for me. Time to do it right ourselves. Like beating your head against the wall. It feels good when you stop!

FTF and FTW!

Hoist!

[grc]

Well I talked with my builder today. Turns out my rear cylinder head gasket leak was caused by the cylinder sleeve/liner moving. I'm going to the shop today to look it over. If I can see anything, I post some pictures. I'm looking at replacing them with Axtell jugs.

This is ridiculous. The service rep happened by after my guys identified the problem. His response was that the MoCo knows the problem exist but could not offer anything further. Bunch of crap. I think Harley would know how to make a cylinder!  

More later.

Maybe they did many years ago, but I get the feeling that anyone with real engineering skills either left or got eased out in favor of a few more "financial wizards" and "marketing gurus".  Perhaps they could get Porsche to give them a hand again?

Jerry

[investorbp]

I can understand being fed up w/H-D's lack of quick progress to a permanent solution to these 110 issues but, whose paying the tab for your rebuild?  Please do not misinterpret me as I'm on your side(s).  I've got one too but the problem hasn't yet surfaced but I'm confident it will this year.

[Jack]

Just my 2 cents....

From the moment the MOCO unveiled the VROD it seems that they have lost ground. 

Few of us really know how much Porsche has put into it.

It is my belief that had they changed the name of the manufacture to PORSCHE, the VROD would have been an instant success, possibly Porsche would not have allowed this due to quality issues.......s/f  Jack

[Black Diamond]

grc, investorbp, Jack

If memory serves me, didn't Harley go through a series of bad cylinders in the 80's. Seems the more things change, the more they stay the same. I am trying to keep a clear head on this and make good decisions. I do not want to take the burden of the MoCo responsibilities onto myself. I want to make my problems their problem.

JW

[investorbp]

Black Diamond:

I don't know about any cylinder issues from the 80s as I'm new to the H-D world.  I do know that my buddy's dealer in Indiana told him the truth about the head gasket & slipping liner issue way back in October when they confirmed what was going on w/his bike.  He's got the '07 SEUC & it had like 22-k on it when he had the first issue.  His was audible as you could hear the gasket leak when the motor was running. 

He said the dealer did mention that this slipping liner issue previously surfaced on either the Evo 80 or TC 88 engines & don't remember for sure as this was almost 3 months ago. 

[wfolarry]

Evo's had a similar problem & the fix was to cut the head gasket surface in the lathe. After enough heat cycles the liner would take a set. Cut the top smooth & you were good to go. Worked 90% of the time.

[CVOJOE]

Damn, the more I hear the more I want to just stick with the ole 103". Sure seems like there was inadequate testing done on the 110" along the line.
 

[investorbp]

Damn, the more I hear the more I want to just stick with the ole 103". Sure seems like there was inadequate testing done on the 110" along the line.
 

Yeah, you would think & I've never heard anything negative about the 103".  When I started seriously looking in '06, the 103" was the biggest engine that H-D ever put on a production bike.  My plan was to buy a '07 RK Classic w/the new 96" & then I found the CVO thing on H-D's website.  I thought, wow a 110" engine.  How bad that would be?  Unfortunately, pretty bad right now. 

I'm pretty confident that H-D will step up though & that's only because I try to avoid thinking negative.  Just hope it doesn't take too long for them to find the end solution as there's a lot of us just hanging there in the wings. 

If you look at AIM's forum (see link below) that was noted on this site by Chief on 12/10/07, it was posted over 4 months ago on 8/31/07 by the poster 207FLHTCUSE.  That's awhile ago & I question how quickly anyone moved on this.
 
http://www.aimag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1160

Granted, it was good that AIM put this in their Feb-2008 issue but their reply was not very encouraging.  Back to your original point, I really wonder what kind of testing was done on the 110".  Why did they have to increase over the 103" anyway as I don't believe it was around that long on the SEs, was it?  We'll see eventually.

[blackrain110]

I was told the bad news today that my oil leak was the rear cylinder head gasket due to the sleeve movement. We had a long discussion and i was told that Harley is using a new tapered sleeve to correct the problem. They said the parts would take a week to get and this would take care of the problem. It sounds to me that that are addressing the issue. If my service rep is telling me the truth. I will say that he was straight up with the problem and yes, I'm glad i bought the extended warranty. boy, i hope i don't have to eat any of these words!!!!

[sadunbar]

I was told the bad news today that my oil leak was the rear cylinder head gasket due to the sleeve movement. We had a long discussion and i was told that Harley is using a new tapered sleeve to correct the problem. They said the parts would take a week to get and this would take care of the problem. It sounds to me that that are addressing the issue. If my service rep is telling me the truth. I will say that he was straight up with the problem and yes, I'm glad i bought the extended warranty. boy, i hope i don't have to eat any of these words!!!!

The latest in a long list of phantom fixes in the works.  I hope this one turns out to be true!!

[hdbrad03]

Yes instead of popping out the top it will slide into the Crankcase. 

[Hoist!]

I tell ya, this sleeve movement sounds like another HD crock of chit, to put us off. Expect more failures. I don't believe a word of it, nor do I believe they have fixed the 110 leak issue!

Hoist!

[Black Diamond]

I was on line with Mike at Latus HD. He advises the MoCo has addressed the cylinder liner movement and the third gasket we have heard about on post at this site are a reality. He comments below:

"As indicated in my earlier post, this issue has been identified and corrected. New gaskets will be supplied with the new cylinder and should be used. Not all 110's have shown this problem, so not all will require correction. We are confident in the correction. It should be seen as a testimony to H-D's ability to quickly recognize, correct and satisfy affected customers when issues present themselves. Not sure you get that with other products."

"I'm not aware of the specific cause of the liner movement but have been told it has been addressed in the replacements. Any statement by me would be speculation. There is a new gasket (third version) that comes with the replacement cylinder. It would appear that the correction is being addressed on both fronts, even more reason to be comfortable."

I for one hope the MoCo is taking postive steps to make it right for their customers. It is the right thing to do for their customer base as well as the longevity of the company.

JW