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[crewchief25h]

The motor rebuild is still not right!!!!!  Now the 103'' 255 cams RH/TD only makes 72HP/84TQ, with a SERT.

When some of you had your motors replaced, what did Harley do with the serial numbers on the cases?

 This dealer try to restamp the numbers with a punch.

Also did you get paper work showing the parts that were replaced under warranty? I got zero paper work, dealer said nobody ever gets warranty papers showing what was done.

Thanks

[Twolanerider]

The motor rebuild is still not right!!!!!  Now the 103'' 255 cams RH/TD only makes 72HP/84TQ, with a SERT.

When some of you had your motors replaced, what did Harley do with the serial numbers on the cases?

 This dealer try to restamp the numbers with a punch.

Also did you get paper work showing the parts that were replaced under warranty? I got zero paper work, dealer said nobody ever gets warranty papers showing what was done.

Thanks

You're getting hosed.  Tampering with a VIN is illegal.  Federally illegal.  Quite a big no-no actually.  If law enforcement ever sees your bike and wonders even a little bit you'll never get them to believe "the dealer did it."  Very large potential hassles ahead on that.  And of course you get a receipt.  Just like any other job they do. 

Unfortunately it sounds like they are covering something up or hiding something they did or did not do.  Tell them you're going to call the big Harley in the sky and your local highway patrol about the altered VIN.  Then see how they start behaving.

[Hoist!]

If they changed your cases, the new ones should have your VIN on it and your old cases returned to HD to be destroyed. Accept nothing less. Your the one that'll get screwed over this. If they gave you aftermarket cases, then you leave the S/N alone on them and you get a Certificate of Origin from the new case mfr. Theoretically, you should get the bike reVIN'd after that. But if you carry the MSO (COI) on your wallet, you'll probably not have any problems. But as Don said, there's no maually punching in S/N's. Bring that bike to Sturgis or Daytona that way, and it'll surely be towed away as an altered VIN bike that they think was redone because of stolen parts!

Hoist!

[kojak]

The motor rebuild is still not right!!!!!  Now the 103'' 255 cams RH/TD only makes 72HP/84TQ, with a SERT.

When some of you had your motors replaced, what did Harley do with the serial numbers on the cases?

 This dealer try to restamp the numbers with a punch.

Also did you get paper work showing the parts that were replaced under warranty? I got zero paper work, dealer said nobody ever gets warranty papers showing what was done.

Thanks

Are you using the HD dealer in Gettysburg?

[crewchief25h]

This is not my motorcycle it's my brother en laws and he is not a member of any forums. So that is how I'm involved.
So were does he go from here?

We both think they replaced to motor with a 96" stock motor because they forgot they were told it's a 103 stage 2.

This is so screwed up, the thought of selling the bike is real. My brother en law is sick to the point he can not sleep!!!!  He feels they really raked him, plus they said you can not tell if it had a SERT tune already done. So they put on a new one and charged him 900.00 for the SERT and dyno time for 72/84

I guess tomorrow he is going to the owner for the paper work. Then possibly taking it back to Roanoke HD were it was origanally done.

[vagabond6542]

You're getting hosed.  Tampering with a VIN is illegal.  Federally illegal.  Quite a big no-no actually.  If law enforcement ever sees your bike and wonders even a little bit you'll never get them to believe "the dealer did it."  Very large potential hassles ahead on that.  And of course you get a receipt.  Just like any other job they do. 

Unfortunately it sounds like they are covering something up or hiding something they did or did not do.  Tell them you're going to call the big Harley in the sky and your local highway patrol about the altered VIN.  Then see how they start behaving.

I agree with 2lnrydr, Start making some phone calls to see where the legalities lie. Then go back to the original work shop that did the work. If they don't make it right, then legally press the point.

[Twolanerider]

 the thought of selling the bike is real. My brother en law is sick to the point he can not sleep!!!! 

From what you've described selling may not be an option.  Most state's licensing inspections for motorcycles require a VIN check anymore.  If they see it you'll then be the one who tried to pass on an altered VIN. 

You really need to be the one who reports this, not the one who tried to pass it.  If the dealership altered the VIN you REALLY need to call your highway patrol or whatever other agency is appropriate in your state.  This is no small matter; at all.  Even if the dealer stands up tomorrow and rebuilds everything to the point that the bike literally sprouts wings and flies while getting 100 miles per gallon you have to deal with the altered VIN.  Law enforcement would assume stolen parts immediately if they say what I think you are describing.  No MSO nore mere story of dealer shenanigans would convince anyone otherwise either.

You need to get out in front of this.  It won't go away.  Once the hammer and dies, stamps or punches started working over that VIN someone else forced your hand.  You need to protect your own butt here.

[crewchief25h]

It's going to get straighten out. It's going to come out of our pockets..  Called customer service today and now the dealer will have the paper work Wed. At some point the motor will need to be opened back up to see what parts are in there. We do not expect the paper work to match whats inside the motor, if it did, the rebuild would make th HP/TQ it used too.
 
What should a 103 stage 2, 255 cams w/ RDTD, SE AC, SERT make for HP/TQ?  Some of you must have something close to this?

[Twolanerider]

It's going to get straighten out. It's going to come out of our pockets..  Called customer service today and now the dealer will have the paper work Wed. At some point the motor will need to be opened back up to see what parts are in there. We do not expect the paper work to match whats inside the motor, if it did, the rebuild would make th HP/TQ it used too.
 
What should a 103 stage 2, 255 cams w/ RDTD, SE AC, SERT make for HP/TQ?  Some of you must have something close to this?

Chief, don't mean to belabor this point.  But it's important.  If the dealer altered the VIN stamping on the motor you need to get a proper agency involved BEFORE you take possession.  You don't want to be in the position later of a standing business versus a lonely owner each saying "he did it."

[SPIDERMAN]

It's going to get straighten out. It's going to come out of our pockets..  Called customer service today and now the dealer will have the paper work Wed. At some point the motor will need to be opened back up to see what parts are in there. We do not expect the paper work to match whats inside the motor, if it did, the rebuild would make th HP/TQ it used too.
 
What should a 103 stage 2, 255 cams w/ RDTD, SE AC, SERT make for HP/TQ?  Some of you must have something close to this?

I've got a 2007 96" built up to a Stage IV 103. SE Heads, big bore cylinders, forged pistons,SE257 Cams, Doherty Power PACC breather, SERT and stock headpipes with old style 65115-98B Screamin Eagle mufflers. 10.5/1 compression - - 108TQ 103HP  Does that help ?

B B

[skreminegul07]

When my motor was replaced I had to firmly request paperwork.  You get three sheets for an oil change and 1 line for an engine replacement.

[grc]

Chief, don't mean to belabor this point.  But it's important.  If the dealer altered the VIN stamping on the motor you need to get a proper agency involved BEFORE you take possession.  You don't want to be in the position later of a standing business versus a lonely owner each saying "he did it."

I can't agree more, the time to address and deal with this is now, not when someone has your bike on the "hook" heading for the impound lot.  If the engine cases were replaced by H-D for a warranty issue, the case would have been stamped by H-D before it was shipped to the dealer.  So why was this dealership hand stamping anything?  Obviously there is a lot more to this story than what we've read here.

Jerry

[Chief]

crewchief,

I feel for you and your bro-in-law. What a cluster this has turned into. Sorry to hear you're having to go through all of this, but PLEASE be sure to get all the i's dotted and t's crossed so everything is on the up and up when you take posession. You may want to bring the highway patrol or other governing agency to the dealer to review the numbers BEFORE you take it.

Good luck and CY(bro-in-law's)A

[crewchief25h]

The stamping of the motor case is a guess on our part, as to who did it. It doesn't look the same as the numbers on my FLSTFSE2. It looks, free handed, the dots making up the numbers are not evenly spaced or lined up.
 
Another dealer will be looking over this whole matter in time, he's just getting his ducks in a row for it. He's got the paper work after they tryed to tell him today they didn't know how to make the computer print.  So now we will see what abortion they put in the motor!!!!!! I've told him they are matching the paper work to what should have been done and charging Harley for the warranty bill.

Noticed last night the jugs have red mud stains on the underside of the fins, the underside of the head fins are clean. It's a indicator the jugs are from something else!!!!  This bike has 2250 miles, it's never been in muddy conditions.

It's getting to the point the money isn't a factor. He'll take this motor out and we'll put a Jims 120 in next week. The whole deal now is about the dealer. They just committed on the paper work. Now it's time to open it up!!!!!! 

Later

[roadrunner]

Just a question, Harley stamps the VIN number of the bike on the motor?

I was considering replacing the stock motor (down the road) with a built 120.

Or is it up to the state you live in and its MVA rules?

I have replaced motors in trucks before and never had an issue (its been sometime though).

Cheers!