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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #225 on: February 20, 2008, 11:19:48 AM »

When somebody can convincingly explain why there used to be a thousand feet of ice where my house is, and free of human activity it disappeared along with what covered a third of the earth, then maybe I'll listen.  Until then, here's to internal combustion, air conditioning, and T-bone steaks on the grill.

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Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:55 AM

By: Phil Brennan

Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory?

Scare mongering appears to be the case, according to reports from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that reveal that almost all the allegedly “lost” ice has come back. A NOAA report shows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million square miles in January 2007 to just 1.5 million square miles in October, are almost back to their original levels.

Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.

The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg which has been widely hailed as proof of the need to fight climate change and has been used by former Vice President Al Gore during his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind’s alleged impact on the global climate.

Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in the month of August when melting is normal. Or that the polar bear population has soared in recent years.

As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere, Mother Nature seems to have joined the ranks of the skeptics.

As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966. The newspaper cites the one exception — Western Europe, which had, until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10 C in some places, been basking in unseasonably warm weather.

Around the world, vast areas have been buried under some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades. Central and southern China, the United States, and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so heavy that over 100,000 houses collapsed under the weight of snow.

Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi Arabia report the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. In Afghanistan, snow and freezing weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had a snowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents.

AFP news reports icy temperatures have just swept through south China, stranding 180,000 people and leading to widespread power cuts just as the area was recovering from the worst weather in 50 years, the government said Monday. The latest cold snap has taken a severe toll in usually temperate Yunnan province, which has been struck by heavy snowfalls since Thursday, a government official from the provincial disaster relief office told AFP.

Twelve people have died there, state Xinhua news agency reported, and four remained missing as of Saturday.

An ongoing record-long spell of cold weather in Vietnam's northern region, which started on Jan. 14, has killed nearly 60,000 cattle, mainly bull and buffalo calves, local press reported Monday. By Feb. 17, the spell had killed a total of 59,962 cattle in the region, including 7,349 in the Ha Giang province, 6,400 in Lao Cai, and 5,571 in Bac Can province, said Hoang Kim Giao, director of the Animal Husbandry Department under the Vietnamese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, according to the Pioneer newspaper.

In Britain the temperatures plunged to -10 C in central England, according to the Express, which reports that experts say that February could end up as one of the coldest in Britain in the past 10 years with the freezing night-time conditions expected to stay around a frigid -8 C until at least the middle of the week. And the BBC reports that a bus company's efforts to cut global warming emissions have led to services being disrupted by cold weather.

Meanwhile Athens News reports that a raging snow storm that blanketed most of Greece over the weekend and continued into the early morning hours on Monday, plunging the country into sub-zero temperatures. The agency reported that public transport buses were at a standstill on Monday in the wider Athens area, while ships remained in ports, public services remained closed, and schools and courthouses in the more severely-stricken prefectures were also closed.

Scores of villages, mainly on the island of Crete, and in the prefectures of Evia, Argolida, Arcadia, Lakonia, Viotia, and the Cyclades islands were snowed in.

More than 100 villages were snowed-in on the island of Crete and temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldest temperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina, where they plunged to -12 C.

Temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldest temperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina, where they plunged to -12 C.

If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to death.

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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #226 on: February 20, 2008, 11:45:14 AM »

Newsmax.com

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:55 AM

By: Phil Brennan

Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory?

Scare mongering ...

I'm sure the global warming "chicken littles" will state that this is just the calm before the storm...it stands to reason, it has to get colder before it gets warmer right???   :nixweiss:  ::)

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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #227 on: February 20, 2008, 12:10:48 PM »

I'm no scientist, but I've read a few articles on both sides. Global Warming isn't exactly global form what I've read, some areas of the world will actually get cooler for a while. As ice is melted into the oceans, the currents will carry massive amounts of cooler ice melt water in warmer waters, causing cooler ocean temps in some areas, this in turn will cause cooler air temps, and more clouds in these areas.

I think there are too many sources showing proof of the warming in some areas for it not to be at least partially true. As to the causes, who knows! The climate on earth has changed many times, fossils prove this.

As for man being the primary cause, you can believe what you want, but like I have said before, the release of millions of tons of pollutants into the air can't be good! I'm no tree hugger and live at 5200 feet above the current sea level, but it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to understand that.

Just my two cents.  :confused5:


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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #228 on: February 20, 2008, 12:21:40 PM »

As for man being the primary cause, you can believe what you want, but like I have said before, the release of millions of tons of pollutants into the air can't be good! I'm no tree hugger and live at 5200 feet above the current sea level, but it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to understand that.

Just my two cents.  :confused5:

Whew...Safe for awhile, right?

Those of us at 1100 ft will be swimming soon :D
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #229 on: February 20, 2008, 01:02:22 PM »

There should be a post here about utilizing extra paper tiny drink umbrellas on the Love Boat to prevent Global Warming, but there isn't.
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #230 on: February 20, 2008, 02:55:11 PM »

I wouldn't put a lot of faith in an unbiased report comging out of NewsMax, on whatever subject matter.

The whole point of Global Warming has little to do with any particular area becoming warmer or colder for X number of months, and everything to do with dramatically changing weather PATTERNS, and associated ocean current temperatures.
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #231 on: February 20, 2008, 03:45:15 PM »

I wouldn't put a lot of faith in an unbiased report comging out of NewsMax, on whatever subject matter.

The whole point of Global Warming has little to do with any particular area becoming warmer or colder for X number of months, and everything to do with dramatically changing weather PATTERNS, and associated ocean current temperatures.

Terry, out of curiosity, why is that?   :nixweiss:

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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #232 on: February 20, 2008, 03:45:28 PM »

I avoid the political discussions of global warming and know I'm not smart enough to even know what I don't know about the science.  So I just use global warming as an excuse to try to get women to take their tops off.

Isn`t that what Bill Clinton told Al Gore when Al was inventing Global Warming ? :drink:
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #233 on: February 20, 2008, 04:38:06 PM »

Terry, out of curiosity, why is that?   :nixweiss:

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Terry may have a different opinion, but MY opinion on Newsmax is that it offers a right wing bias in it's reportage of events/stories.

Counterparts from the left wing bias side include Mediamatters & Moveon.org. 

They have agendas & are blatant about them, so their views tend to slant to that particular wing, right or left.

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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #234 on: February 20, 2008, 06:25:12 PM »

Terry may have a different opinion, but MY opinion on Newsmax is that it offers a right wing bias in it's reportage of events/stories.

Counterparts from the left wing bias side include Mediamatters & Moveon.org. 

They have agendas & are blatant about them, so their views tend to slant to that particular wing, right or left.


Is there a news source that one could utilize that would be 'unbiased'?  :-\ That would be nice to have if you could truely believe there was one.  ??? spyder
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #235 on: February 20, 2008, 06:47:53 PM »

Terry may have a different opinion, but MY opinion on Newsmax is that it offers a right wing bias in it's reportage of events/stories.

Counterparts from the left wing bias side include Mediamatters & Moveon.org. 

They have agendas & are blatant about them, so their views tend to slant to that particular wing, right or left.



That's exactly what I meant, Mike...it is very right wing biased.  I have never read or heard of the others you mentioned, so don't know their particular slant on things.  Most conservatives think NPR is "liberal", but I have found them to nearly always bring a balance of both sides of each story, though neither view would be considered to be extreme, but just to the left/right of center, or a more moderate view from both sides of the aisle.  I also do not believe the myth of "the liberal media" when speaking of the mainstream in journalism.  There are a lot of statistics out there that prove the media is pretty even handed.  I'm not speaking of editorial opinion, which run the gamut on one side or the other, but the main body of coverage.

Case in point:  The "liberal" news media actually wrote more positive stories about GW when he ran against Al Gore....the media was generally more negative in their reporting about AG.

One must never forget who pays for the advertising...generally relatively large corportations, whose executives are generally conservative.  Most public broadcasting would not survive very long if they only reported stories in a liberal light...there are, of course, always exceptions, but I'm talking about on balance.

I try to find both reasonable sides to every major issue, not the extreme, foaming at the mouth views spewing out of some on television/radio/newsprint.  Honestly, I can't watch/listen to some of those shows, as all it does is make my blood pressure rise, and I'm gettin' too old for that.

My basic environmental stance is that there are just too damn many pigs in the pen, and the more there are, the more negative the impact is on the environment, so I always err on the side of protection, and take the "just in case" view, as generally speaking, when the real damage is done, it's too late to go back and fix it.  The price of doing otherwise is just too potentially high, from my point of view.  I just don't think we have the right, as humans, to continue using/abusing the land, air, and water, at the expense of other living things, and I think our impact is just about at critical mass.
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #236 on: February 20, 2008, 07:01:35 PM »

Is there a news source that one could utilize that would be 'unbiased'?  :-\ That would be nice to have if you could truely believe there was one.  ??? spyder

Never found one, once I began to seriously look, Spyder.  All media has a bias, and most all stories (politicized)  have a "slant".

Depends on what you prefer for many - easy enough to find media that parrots opinions one already believes in - regardless of whether they are rooted in facts - much more difficult to find any that use a truth standard, regardless.

I utilize a variety of media sources, consider the bias therein, and then form my own ignorant opinions.   ;D

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« Reply #237 on: February 20, 2008, 07:15:10 PM »

That's exactly what I meant, Mike...it is very right wing biased.  I have never read or heard of the others you mentioned, so don't know their particular slant on things.  Most conservatives think NPR is "liberal", but I have found them to nearly always bring a balance of both sides of each story, though neither view would be considered to be extreme, but just to the left/right of center, or a more moderate view from both sides of the aisle.  I also do not believe the myth of "the liberal media" when speaking of the mainstream in journalism.  There are a lot of statistics out there that prove the media is pretty even handed.  I'm not speaking of editorial opinion, which run the gamut on one side or the other, but the main body of coverage.

Case in point:  The "liberal" news media actually wrote more positive stories about GW when he ran against Al Gore....the media was generally more negative in their reporting about AG.

One must never forget who pays for the advertising...generally relatively large corportations, whose executives are generally conservative.  Most public broadcasting would not survive very long if they only reported stories in a liberal light...there are, of course, always exceptions, but I'm talking about on balance.

http://home.san.rr.com/prjacoby/news_media_as_political_institutions.html

Of course this comes  from the media!! :D ;D :P

I try to find both reasonable sides to every major issue, not the extreme, foaming at the mouth views spewing out of some on television/radio/newsprint.  Honestly, I can't watch/listen to some of those shows, as all it does is make my blood pressure rise, and I'm gettin' too old for that.

My basic environmental stance is that there are just too damn many pigs in the pen, and the more there are, the more negative the impact is on the environment, so I always err on the side of protection, and take the "just in case" view, as generally speaking, when the real damage is done, it's too late to go back and fix it.  The price of doing otherwise is just too potentially high, from my point of view.  I just don't think we have the right, as humans, to continue using/abusing the land, air, and water, at the expense of other living things, and I think our impact is just about at critical mass.

The media's right wing based? I would disagree with that. CNN, the Clinton News Network! :P There are some that are to the right, but just as many or maybe even more are to the left. Look at the people that own the news networks, people like Ted Turner! I'd say he's a little to the left. It must be why the press is so nice to Bush in news conferences too. :D

I think if you really study the issue you find the press is more left than right.

Some American scholars have insisted that professional values are no bulwark against a bias in news that emerges from the social backgrounds and personal values of media personnel. Lichter et al. (1986) made the case that news in the United States has a liberal bias because journalists at elite news organizations are themselves liberal. Their survey of these journalists finds that many describe themselves as liberals and tend to vote Democratic. [A 1992 national sample of journalists also finds them more liberal and more Democratic than the adult population as a whole, but not as liberal or Democratic as elite journalists in the Lichter survey (see Weaver & Wilhoit 1996).] This is a moderate liberalism, at most, and only within the peculiar American political spectrum. The group is more socially liberal (53% say adultery is not wrong) than economically liberal (only 13% think government should own big corporations). American elite journalists fully accept the framework of capitalism, although they wish for it a human face.


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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #238 on: February 20, 2008, 07:24:28 PM »

That's exactly what I meant, Mike...it is very right wing biased.  I have never read or heard of the others you mentioned, so don't know their particular slant on things.  Most conservatives think NPR is "liberal", but I have found them to nearly always bring a balance of both sides of each story, though neither view would be considered to be extreme, but just to the left/right of center, or a more moderate view from both sides of the aisle.  I also do not believe the myth of "the liberal media" when speaking of the mainstream in journalism.  There are a lot of statistics out there that prove the media is pretty even handed.  I'm not speaking of editorial opinion, which run the gamut on one side or the other, but the main body of coverage.

Case in point:  The "liberal" news media actually wrote more positive stories about GW when he ran against Al Gore....the media was generally more negative in their reporting about AG.

One must never forget who pays for the advertising...generally relatively large corportations, whose executives are generally conservative.  Most public broadcasting would not survive very long if they only reported stories in a liberal light...there are, of course, always exceptions, but I'm talking about on balance.

I try to find both reasonable sides to every major issue, not the extreme, foaming at the mouth views spewing out of some on television/radio/newsprint.  Honestly, I can't watch/listen to some of those shows, as all it does is make my blood pressure rise, and I'm gettin' too old for that.

My basic environmental stance is that there are just too damn many pigs in the pen, and the more there are, the more negative the impact is on the environment, so I always err on the side of protection, and take the "just in case" view, as generally speaking, when the real damage is done, it's too late to go back and fix it.  The price of doing otherwise is just too potentially high, from my point of view.  I just don't think we have the right, as humans, to continue using/abusing the land, air, and water, at the expense of other living things, and I think our impact is just about at critical mass.

Terry - I also listen to NPR, but do so to find out the left wing (commie) take on the socialized world as they see it. Not trying to change your mind - they do a reasonably good job at times of presenting another viewpoint - which they then editorially ridicule as not being left/liberal enough. Shorthand - for me -  it's the "UN" view of the world as it would be if the UN ran the world. I listen to Dennis Miller on the radio & O'Reilly as the counterpart to NPR.  When they all agree, it's amusing as hell. 

As to GW vs AG - media touted polls showing Gore winning (incorrectly) up to his bitter end.  Laughably, some changed their polling to skew the election towards AG - shows several (all?) pollsters also have a bias, frankly. As to media stories, both got beat up, but I saw no GW favoritism. BTW - I'd vote for President Bush again in a heartbeat over the current crop running. 

80% + of so called "corporate" news (broadcast/cable) is liberal/left leaning.  Quite a few studies on that.  Liberals usually tout the Wall Street Journal as "proof" of print evenhandedness, but newspapers are 80-85% liberal in editorial scope.  The AP regularly bleeds over it's liberalisms into it's so called "news" stories.  Radio is the bastion of conservative broadcast media & the only area they control currently.  All just my opinions, and more than a few years of listening, watching, and reading.  Conservatives rail against the New York Times, MSNBC, NBC, and CNN.  Somebody somewhere thinks all of these - included conservative Fox News - are "unbiased".  I disagree, but whatthehelldoIknow?

Actually, I think we have barely scratched the surface environmentally, and critical mass is about 1,000 or more years away, if population careens upwards out of control.  So developers, drillers, miners, explorers, and other capitalist pigs get a big thumbs up from me. Instead of trees, I prefer to hug an oil or gas well.  The dividends they pay are lots more fun than raking leaves.

So we disagree - big deal.  Disagreements are what make our country strongest in the long run.  I'd rather be riding than posting anyway.  Always. 
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Re: Since politics has invaded forum-Who buys the Global Warming issue?
« Reply #239 on: February 20, 2008, 07:59:32 PM »

Never found one, once I began to seriously look, Spyder.  All media has a bias, and most all stories (politicized)  have a "slant".

Depends on what you prefer for many - easy enough to find media that parrots opinions one already believes in - regardless of whether they are rooted in facts - much more difficult to find any that use a truth standard, regardless.

I utilize a variety of media sources, consider the bias therein, and then form my own ignorant opinions.   ;D


Well, shucks, that sounds like too much work........I'm through with 'doing research'.....just wouldn't mind a straight shooter news outlet that you could depend on......guess that's too much to ask for in todays world, huh?  Everyone's got a dog in the fight.   ::) spyder
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