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How many Springers with an oil leak?
« on: January 30, 2008, 09:13:01 PM »

We've all noted how frequently the 110 motor has leaked at the head and/or base gasket, but it is my impression that the Springers may be less prone due to the counter-balancers. With less shaking fore and aft there may be less of a tendency to disrupt the seals. So who here has had a leak on their Springer 110? I haven't had one...(yet) on my '07.
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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 02:47:13 PM »

5000 miles and just noticed the rear cylinder has oil residue. Taking in next week.
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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 03:12:25 PM »

5000 miles and just noticed the rear cylinder has oil residue. Taking in next week.

It is most prominent in the Ultras, followed by the Road Kings. Main difference in those two bikes are the lowers on the Ultras. All of this supports a theory that it is heat related. The other bikes in the CVO lineup are lighter with less air restriction, also supporting a heat related theory.

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 03:44:26 PM »

There's no discrimination! They all have problems or the potential for same. We have a majority of members with FD's. So you'll hear about more of those here than any other. Next are SERK's. Then maybe even between Dynas and Springers. So you'll hear least about those. As the quantity of the type of bike decreases by members, so will the problems you hear about those models. But my personal assessment, after everything we've seen and heard, is that they all suck right now!!! ;)

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 08:07:48 PM »

There's no discrimination! They all have problems or the potential for same. We have a majority of members with FD's. So you'll hear about more of those here than any other. Next are SERK's. Then maybe even between Dynas and Springers. So you'll hear least about those. As the quantity of the type of bike decreases by members, so will the problems you hear about those models. But my personal assessment, after everything we've seen and heard, is that they all suck right now!!! ;)

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I'm refering to percentages, not just absolute numbers. As it was told to me by HD Cust Service, highest % of failure is in the FLHTCUSE2, next comes the Road Kings and on down the tree.

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 08:18:00 PM »

I'm refering to percentages, not just absolute numbers. As it was told to me by HD Cust Service, highest % of failure is in the FLHTCUSE2, next comes the Road Kings and on down the tree.

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Did you follow up that slip from the list of "acceptable customer service tech responses" with a barrage of questions like...

- What do you mean by percentage of failures? 

-  How many failures have there been?

-  What percentage of 110's produced have failed?

-  What percentage of FLHTCUSE2's have failed?

-  What percentage of Road Kings have failed?

For you to get that answer, there must be supporting statistics that can be shared!   :nixweiss:

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 08:34:04 PM »

Did you follow up that slip from the list of "acceptable customer service tech responses" with a barrage of questions like...

- What do you mean by percentage of failures? 

-  How many failures have there been?

-  What percentage of 110's produced have failed?

-  What percentage of FLHTCUSE2's have failed?

-  What percentage of Road Kings have failed?

For you to get that answer, there must be supporting statistics that can be shared!   :nixweiss:

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Not really. The comment was made in discussion about the failures, hypothesizing on what is causing it. Trying to put some meaning onto which models are failing the most might point a finger at the root cause. My observation was that we have seen more failures on the FLH line. The response was that "and we're seeing more of it on the Ultras than on the RK's." We then postulated as to why that was. I didn't dig into trying to get absolute numbers because I'd bet my bottom dollar that info won't be shared with common folks like me.

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2008, 08:39:07 PM »

Not really. The comment was made in discussion about the failures, hypothesizing on what is causing it. Trying to put some meaning onto which models are failing the most might point a finger at the root cause. My observation was that we have seen more failures on the FLH line. The response was that "and we're seeing more of it on the Ultras than on the RK's." We then postulated as to why that was. I didn't dig into trying to get absolute numbers because I'd bet my bottom dollar that info won't be shared with common folks like me.
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I'd bet your bottom dollar you're right on!   :(
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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 09:02:58 PM »

So far one person has reported an oil leak on a Springer. Any others?
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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 09:29:05 PM »


The other variable you folks are forgetting is mileage.  The baggers tend to accumulate more miles in a shorter time than the Softail's and Dyna's, and therefore they are showing leaks earlier.  To make an apples to apples comparison, you need to consider mileage, not just model.

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2008, 07:36:28 AM »

The other variable you folks are forgetting is mileage.  The baggers tend to accumulate more miles in a shorter time than the Softail's and Dyna's, and therefore they are showing leaks earlier.  To make an apples to apples comparison, you need to consider mileage, not just model.

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Why would one bike accumulate more miles in a shorter time than another?  I know it is your opinion, and I value that.  Just wondering.
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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2008, 08:36:57 AM »

Why would one bike accumulate more miles in a shorter time than another?  I know it is your opinion, and I value that.  Just wondering.

If I may speak for Jerry, I believe his point is that riders are more likely to travel long distances on a bagger than on a Dyna or Springer which will translate into more miles in a shorter period of time.  :)

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2008, 09:23:03 AM »

If I may speak for Jerry, I believe his point is that riders are more likely to travel long distances on a bagger than on a Dyna or Springer which will translate into more miles in a shorter period of time.  :)

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I read it wrong, I get it now.  Makes sense.
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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2008, 09:33:40 AM »

Why would one bike accumulate more miles in a shorter time than another?  I know it is your opinion, and I value that.  Just wondering.
If I may speak for Jerry, I believe his point is that riders are more likely to travel long distances on a bagger than on a Dyna or Springer which will translate into more miles in a shorter period of time.  :)

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Thanks, Chief, that's what I was referring to in my original statement.  I remember reading something a few years back about average miles per year on motorcycles, and the indication was that touring bikes averaged more than double the miles per year of "cruiser" models.  Sure, there are plenty of high mileage Softails and Dynas around, but I'm referring to averages.  For every Softail rider with 10,000 miles per year, there are hundreds more who are lucky to break 2,000 miles.

Getting back to this thread, it seems that the oil leak is mileage dependent (based on the reports I've read here and elsewhere).  That's why I believe any comparison between failure rates for different models needs to factor in mileage.

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Re: How many Springers with an oil leak?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 02:31:30 PM »

We've all noted how frequently the 110 motor has leaked at the head and/or base gasket, but it is my impression that the Springers may be less prone due to the counter-balancers. With less shaking fore and aft there may be less of a tendency to disrupt the seals. So who here has had a leak on their Springer 110? I haven't had one...(yet) on my '07.

Mine still fine...less than 2000 miles on it.....
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