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[Twolanerider]

Let me help Don.
Should you ever decide to sell the SEEG here is the issue you will have.
"Ah Mr. Carey, that's a beautiful bike but I wanted one with the stock wheels.
You know, kinda like your SERG over there, I like original stock wheels."

Not that you would consider selling the SEEG, but hypothecially speaking!

 

I need more advice like that.  A lot more.


One thing I'm surprised by (speaking of wheels) is the aluminum wheels on the SERG.  Fortunately the prior owner did a great job of keeping mine cleaned up.  Even the rear.  So they've still got a nice shine on what looks to be a heavy clear coat over the aluminum (if I'd look closer I might actually know for sure).  However they're dressed, however, I actually quite like the look of them.  The SEEG wheels have always struck me as ok.  Kind of plain but ok.  The SERG wheels aren't chrome but have a special bling factor all they're own.

[porthole]

Since Don went with Dave Mackie on the top end of his build and ................

Thanks Brian, good rundown on the parts and costs. I was figuring on the under 5 range, not including the trans. It won't be this year since my daughter is getting married, but it gives me a goal for next winter.

Just what we need, more performance and reliability.

[hogasm]

So Don, from the looks of it, anyone with some advanced mechanical skills and the proper tools, and able to read the manual, should be able to recreate your build without too much difficulty. I am assuming you didn't go into the bottom end, so the crank balancing or other issues are not a problem for us backyard builders.

I really like your overall package, love the red. Overall I think what you did mimics what I would like to achieve. Low to mid range performance and reliability for the long haul.

Of course I still want to add a 6 speed and drop the overall ratio. But maybe with the HP and low end torque increase the ratio would not be such a big deal.

I don't recall, which 6 speed did you use and did you change the final drive ratio?

Between you and Chief now their will be a lot of "Jonesing" going on here, and lets throw a little Hoga$m in for good measure.

How did I get drug into this.....see what happens when you leave town for a few weeks....you get brought into the same category with Twolane..............................

You know my feelings on a 6 speed.....too much money for the returns

[Twolanerider]

Have had a few PMs emails asking about total costs and parts breakdowns.  Something more specific than the answer I gave Duane earlier.  Will work something up and get it posted tonight or tomorrow.

[porthole]

How did I get drug into this.....see what happens when you leave town for a few weeks....you get brought into the same category with Twolane..............................

You know my feelings on a 6 speed.....too much money for the returns

Engine rebuild - diamond cutting - powder coating - hey if the glove fits you must be guilty   

Looking forward to seeing all your work too Brian. Of course, being in the company of 2Lane can be a double edged sword 

As to the 6 speed, value of return is relative. I am not looking of a fuel mileage savings.

My goal would be to drop the overall ratio a bit to pick up some low speed torque, especially 1st gear. And in doing that if I was able to drop my 70 mph speed by 200 RPMs I would be satisfied (instead of the normal 400 RPM drop).

Lower 1st gear - 200 RPM drop, maybe a little closer ratio through the gears - that would be the value I am looking for. It seems I frequently am looking to shift one extra gear anyway.

[hogasm]

Engine rebuild - diamond cutting - powder coating - hey if the glove fits you must be guilty   

Looking forward to seeing all your work too Brian. Of course, being in the company of 2Lane can be a double edged sword 

As to the 6 speed, value of return is relative. I am not looking of a fuel mileage savings.

My goal would be to drop the overall ratio a bit to pick up some low speed torque, especially 1st gear. And in doing that if I was able to drop my 70 mph speed by 200 RPMs I would be satisfied (instead of the normal 400 RPM drop).

Lower 1st gear - 200 RPM drop, maybe a little closer ratio through the gears - that would be the value I am looking for. It seems I frequently am looking to shift one extra gear anyway.

I had the first motor built for Bessie in May of 04 with blue diamond cut cylinders. Beautiful looking motor. Shame that the dealership did not assemble the thing correctly. "had them assemble it for warranty purposes"....payed off, this motor did not cost me hardly anything

Wanted to leave the rebuilt motor stock looking...easy off oven cleaner go in the way

Now we have the motor back to stock colored cases and blue diamond cut cylinders

24 tooth comp..part #40269-85a
37 tooth clutch hub...part #37846-99a
= 3.37 gearing

should drop your motor around 200 and if you must....screamin eagle gear set....I don't recommend the Baker...have one....don't recommend

[SPIDERMAN]

I
should drop your motor around 200 and if you must....screamin eagle gear set....I don't recommend the Baker...have one....don't recommend

You've said this before Brian and I am still not sure why. The Baker DD6 in Elvis was one of the things that made that bike so sweet to ride. With 108tq and 103hp and the gearing from the Baker, that bike has a sweet spot that starts at about 2500rpm all the way to about 6500rpm. You could twist the throttle in 6th so long as you were running above 55 mph and it would take off, it ran quiet without chit for vibration. Did I get lucky with the Baker in Elvis, or am I easy to please ?  If someone were to walk in my garage with a Baker DD6 in excellent condition and offer to swap it for the H-D 6 in LD, you'd see sparks fly I'd be movin so fast to get that deal done. In my honest opinion, the H-D 6 isn't worth the cost. If you've got a 5-speed keep it if you're thinking of an H-D 6, but the Baker - - - - - - - sweeeeeeeeet piece of machinery.

So what's your beef Brian. You're a smart guy and I put a lot of stock in your opinion on things like this.

B B

[Unbalanced]

Big Brian,

I have to tell you I would not purchase another Baker transmission.   While they have tried numerous times to make it right they have failed to do so.   The bike shows in neutral in 3rd and 4th gear, it pops out of gear under hard acceleration.   I have had Baker rebuild the transmission in the roadking now 3 times.    The final build was done by Cycle Rama with tech services still trying to guide them.   I like the idea of the taller 1st and 2nd gear that Baker avails me, but replacing the splines now 3 times, the countershaft, and getting the wrong pawl 2x has left me with a sour taste in my mouth.   In 2 cases Baker was sent the entire transmission cases and all and it leaked, broke, and would not stay in gear.

The HD-6 speed I have in the pumpkin has run wonderfully thus far and was a great improvement and based on this experience I would buy another Screaming Eagle Transmission, (not the stock one that comes in the 07/08 models).

[hogasm]

Big B

I have had to replace the shifter arms because it kept popping into neutral

Replaced the primary chain....when initially installed, a HB125 was recommended for the tensioner. When I called them to tell them about the chain, their reply was that they no longer recommend the auto tensioner. Asked if they would help me with the new chain....full retail charges and $55.00 for overnight shipping. Stick it in my azz

The primary is changed when using the DD-6. You change to a 28 tooth comp sprocket. The next smaller size one is a stock 25 tooth one. You can't change the output sprocket, because you can't find a belt with less teeth. I have contacted Dan Parsons with Gates belts..303-744-4947....about having a 138 or 137 tooth belt special made. Seems that Harley has the dibs and Gates wont make one that will resemble Harley's.

I have taken a stock swingarm and lengthened it so that a 65 tooth rear sprocket can be used with a 139 tooth belt. Can'tkeep the front tire on the pavement. Is a very sweet setup but would be costly. Then we have to go the chain route.....I don't want to do that either.

Sometimes I have to believe that, even as much as we hate almost everything that Harley produces, their engineering team is hard to beat.
EXCEPT FOR THE NEW MOTORS AND TRANIES

Like I said before if Boatman wants to drop about 200, and have a 6 speed.....24/37 primary with the SE 6 speed
even though I think the 6speed is a waste of money

[SPIDERMAN]

Harry & Brian,
                  I am very sorry to read of your experiences with Baker. When I bought Elvis, there was some vibration in the trans that when checked out proved to be worn main bearings in the Baker. I was very fortunate in that for once San Diego H-D assigned their very best tech Jimmy to the job and what he told me was that Baker machines everything to very close tolerances and everything and he emphasized everything has to be in perfect allignment. He said that they are not a very forgiving product, but when set up right he felt they were excellent. Elvis never showed a hint of a problem after Jimmy went through the trans and replaced those worn bearings. As I said, it was one of the things I loved the most about that bike. So one man's wine is another's poison I'd say and the Baker in Big E was Dom Perignon where as you guys seem to have gotten some Ripple. That's a damn shame, but I guess reading what you have to say, I'm not in a big hurry to have another one.

B B

[porthole]

24 tooth comp..part #40269-85a
37 tooth clutch hub...part #37846-99a
= 3.37 gearing
should drop your motor around 200 and

I still want the ratio in first or the overall ratio dropped, looking for a little more low speed - higher RPM .
I found after all the riding in the Carolinas on the twisty roads that I was constantly wishing for a gearing change. The speed I was comfortable running in had me wanting to go up or down a gear, but with the current ratio doing so would have been to low or to high of an engine speed.

Baker makes more then one trans - which one do you have? One has a direct 6 spd, the other overdrive.

[porthole]

I might have misunderstood your last Brian.

Going to the 24 and 37 effectively lowers my overall ratio, adding the 6 spd drops the 200 over completely stock, correct?

The baker direct drive must change the the ratio for the first 5 gears as the kit includes a 28 comp sprocket. Without a gear change I don't think the would get out of its own way from a stop.

[spydglide]

I still want the ratio in first or the overall ratio dropped, looking for a little more low speed - higher RPM .
I found after all the riding in the Carolinas on the twisty roads that I was constantly wishing for a gearing change. The speed I was comfortable running in had me wanting to go up or down a gear, but with the current ratio doing so would have been to low or to high of an engine speed.

I totally agree on our transmission when riding hard in twisties like that, Duane........I'm wishing for  more gears (hence:tighter ratios) but, we heve 'stock' riders CVO scooters, not racing bikes.  Just gotta make 'um into what you want......I'm watching you on this one.  har!  spyder

[Twolanerider]

I totally agree on our transmission when riding hard in twisties like that, Duane........I'm wishing for  more gears (hence:tighter ratios) but, we heve 'stock' riders CVO scooters, not racing bikes.  Just gotta make 'um into what you want......I'm watching you on this one.  har!  spyder

Gee guys, stock ratio works fine when you've got 85 ft pds of torque by 2500 and 100 ft pds by about 2800 .

[spydglide]

Gee guys, stock ratio works fine when you've got 85 ft pds of torque by 2500 and 100 ft pds by about 2800 .

go back in the garage.  har!  spyder