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[Twolanerider]

And susceptibility to road damage also.......you know how often we see new groves in the bottom of our frame....hitting stuff & dragging on bumps, etc.  spyder

If it's completely exposed without guard of any kind some real care will have to become the order of the riding day.  Things like Evel Knieveling a curb to get out of a parking lot might ruin your whole day.

[Sean M Cary]

If it's completely exposed without guard of any kind some real care will have to become the order of the riding day.  Things like Evel Knieveling a curb to get out of a parking lot might ruin your whole day.

Or hitting a speed bump and realizing that the bottom of your Harley is nowhere near as high as your dual sport Kawa?? 

I only hit my dog bone  , I can't imagine crushing the collector/exhaust...not to mention the effect it would have up stream of where you hit.

[SERG3]

Looks like they have lowered the gear ratio also 2.85 instead of 2.79

[bbrown]

Anyone else having trouble with the HD website??

[Fired00d]

What?  Gary, I thought you read all these posts

I was trying to keep that on the down low until I'd spoke to you about being the first on the list for the fly/ride program. Since you are thinking about an O/B one I wanted to be first on the list.
 
 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[iski]

Sure.....when the bikes moving thru the air, but, I'm talking about when the rear jug gets so hot ....  in traffic, stopped at lights, esp. thru towns, stop and go, etc...that's when the shields just hold the air around the motor instead of allowing it to rise up away from the rear jug and onto the riders legs....more comfort for the rider at the expense of the motor.  I wonder if that's what the new 'floating seat' that's suppose to be 'cooler' is.....something to block the heat from rising away from the motor?   Got to see one to figure what their doing.    har!  spyder

Spyder,

Will make a bet with ya & it's a safe one:

When these 09's hit the showroom, people will be laying on the floor & crawling around to look up under them to see what that exhaust cross over looks like in more detail.  Well, maybe I'll be the only one, but for SURE I know there will be one guy doing just that. 

Would be smart for a dealer to display one of these up in the air & a little on it's side to show what the 09 new frame/exhaust/etc. look like so we can stand next to it & point at stuff & say things like "hmmmmmmm, yeah, I see." 

Agreed on the holding the air around the jug part when stopped - mine was so damn hot, prior to true duals, tune, etc. that it was burning my leg.  Wonder if they programmed the 09 rear jug to alternate fire at idle for heat "management?"  Wonder if there is a shock under the new seat or a spring?

Mike

[VaEagle]

According to the video on the Harley site.....the rear jug shuts down at stops or in parade duty etc. As far as the site when you try to get the 2009 CVO lineup I get the 2008 instead. Seems part of the system is not up yet as of this morning.

[miker]

Thr cross over will certainly keep the oil warm....and the tranny oil nice and cozy too. 

[skreminegul07]

The parade duty EITMS was first available on the 07 models and can be turned on/off with the SERT or by the dealer.  It may be on by default now.

Also, is it me or is the space between the bags and the fender a lot wider on the 09s?  Check out the 360 degree views on the MOCO site.

I wonder if relocating the exhaust crossover under the bike will affect frame type jacks/ lifts?  Certainly exhaust work will be different.

[greglyon]

Here are some odds an ends I learned from the show.

1. Triglide.  You won't be seeing many of them at dealerships.  Highest volume dealers have been promised 3 initially.  The reverse gear operates off the battery and is optional.

2. The new FL frame purports to address the "high speed wobble" in the redesign of the swing arm attachment to the frame. 

3. Elimination of the cross over was one of two steps taken for heat control.  The other was the shut down of the rear jug by coming to a stop and twisting throttle to the full off stop.

4.   FL models still rubber balanced but new frame results in less vibration especially at idle.

5 SE Roadglide.  A chopped Tour pak is available.  Depending on demand the King Tour pak may be available.  Frame has new attachment locations for passenger backrest and Tour Pak.  The 3 colors will be manufactured in this order:  orange, silver, yellow . Later in the year they repeat the same sequence.  The saddlebag extentions are glued and screwed to the bottom of the saddlebags.  The saddlebags are attached the same as in the past.

6 All 110 engines have been shipped with the latest fix for the head gasket leak issue. 

 

[Fired00d]

Here are some odds an ends I learned from the show.

1. Triglide.  You won't be seeing many of them at dealerships.  Highest volume dealers have been promised 3 initially.  The reverse gear operates off the battery and is optional.

2. The new FL frame purports to address the "high speed wobble" in the redesign of the swing arm attachment to the frame. 

3. Elimination of the cross over was one of two steps taken for heat control.  The other was the shut down of the rear jug by coming to a stop and twisting throttle to the full off stop.

4.   FL models still rubber balanced but new frame results in less vibration especially at idle.

5 SE Roadglide.  A chopped Tour pak is available.  Depending on demand the King Tour pak may be available.  Frame has new attachment locations for passenger backrest and Tour Pak.  The 3 colors will be manufactured in this order:  orange, silver, yellow . Later in the year they repeat the same sequence.  The saddlebag extentions are glued and screwed to the bottom of the saddlebags.  The saddlebags are attached the same as in the past.

6 All 110 engines have been shipped with the latest fix for the head gasket leak issue. 

 

Big thanks for the pictures yesterday and the followup info today.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Chief]

Spyder,

Will make a bet with ya & it's a safe one:

When these 09's hit the showroom, people will be laying on the floor & crawling around to look up under them to see what that exhaust cross over looks like in more detail.  Well, maybe I'll be the only one, but for SURE I know there will be one guy doing just that. 

Would be smart for a dealer to display one of these up in the air & a little on it's side to show what the 09 new frame/exhaust/etc. look like so we can stand next to it & point at stuff & say things like "hmmmmmmm, yeah, I see." 

Agreed on the holding the air around the jug part when stopped - mine was so damn hot, prior to true duals, tune, etc. that it was burning my leg.  Wonder if they programmed the 09 rear jug to alternate fire at idle for heat "management?"  Wonder if there is a shock under the new seat or a spring?

Mike

Not just the exhaust, but the rear engine mount too. From the pictures d00d posted, it looks like the swingarm is still mounted to the back of the transmission, so unless they've done something to eliminate side-to-side movement of the whole assembly, rear steer brackets will still be an option. Without the dog bone, the Tru-Trak and Alloy Art units won't work anymore and it appears the rear swingarm pivot blocks are now part of the frame which kills the ride-Str8 and TWR units as well.

I can't wait to see the PDF that shows all of the changes. Where'd we get that from last year?

[Hoist!]

Not just the exhaust, but the rear engine mount too. From the pictures d00d posted, it looks like the swingarm is still mounted to the back of the transmission, so unless they've done something to eliminate side-to-side movement of the whole assembly, rear steer brackets will still be an option. Without the dog bone, the Tru-Trak and Alloy Art units won't work anymore and it appears the rear swingarm pivot blocks are now part of the frame which kills the ride-Str8 and TWR units as well.

I can't wait to see the PDF that shows all of the changes. Where'd we get that from last year?

Jerry posted them for '07 changes. 8 PDFs. Maybe he can dig them up for the '09's. What do ya say Jerry?

Hoist!

[Chief]

Or hitting a speed bump and realizing that the bottom of your Harley is nowhere near as high as your dual sport Kawa?? 

I only hit my dog bone  , I can't imagine crushing the collector/exhaust...not to mention the effect it would have up stream of where you hit.

As small as the outlet in the left pipe is, as shown in someone's picture, That cross over pipe is WAYYYY too big anyway. Crushing it in half won't hurt a thing.

[miker]

Especially when it has been chucked in the trash...