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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2008, 12:54:36 PM »

Ok, just a thought here. Given thatax credits for hybrids are to their above average fuel economy why then aren't us MC riders offered the same??  :nixweiss:
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2008, 03:33:35 PM »

Ok, just a thought here. Given thatax credits for hybrids are to their above average fuel economy why then aren't us MC riders offered the same??  :nixweiss:

They should be building vehicles that run on Hydrogen. Throw your houshold garbage in your trunk for fuel, and make Hydrogen for fuel cells to run an all self contained electric vehicle! No fossil fuel, no emmissions! Can probably be done, but major oil will never let it happen! ::) >:( ;)

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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2008, 04:16:31 PM »

Well...If i remember correctly; the US Air Force is currently flying fighter planes with good ol garbarge. You'd thunk a car could be made also...Ah!...special interest , lobbyist and the like...its all in the color GREEN $.
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2008, 04:48:34 PM »

Well...If i remember correctly; the US Air Force is currently flying fighter planes with good ol garbarge. You'd thunk a car could be made also...Ah!...special interest , lobbyist and the like...its all in the color GREEN $.
Speaking of that - has anyone caught any of the Walmart Corporate meeting videos that were taken by Flagler Productions. Clear insight into the power of special interest money etc....
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2008, 05:19:16 PM »

They should be building vehicles that run on Hydrogen. Throw your houshold garbage in your trunk for fuel, and make Hydrogen for fuel cells to run an all self contained electric vehicle! No fossil fuel, no emmissions! Can probably be done, but major oil will never let it happen! ::) >:( ;)

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Honda is!  In 2008 Honda will be leasing the FCX, a hydrogen fueled car, in the LA (not Lower Alabama) area.  They will only be available in that area because of the availiability of fuel stations.  Honda is also devoleping a home fuel station for FCX owners.  This station will not only refuel the car but will also heat and power the home!

Here's some info.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?ef_id=1097:1:b4a59e655269721e62a880c431b60d34_11929322512_144344502012:GsXh@tB6B3YAAB5IN4wAAAAe:20080521211604
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2008, 05:25:37 PM »

Honda is!  In 2008 Honda will be leasing Hydrogen fueled cars in the LA (not Lower Alabama) area.

Here's some info.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?ef_id=1097:1:b4a59e655269721e62a880c431b60d34_11929322512_144344502012:GsXh@tB6B3YAAB5IN4wAAAAe:20080521211604

Yeah Tommy, but I'm talking about making your own hydrogen, on board, with your household garbage! Completely self-contained system. By product of the whole thing...H2O! Now that's clean, renewable energy! And solves loads of problems! And we ain't never gonna stop making garbage!!! ;D ;)

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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2008, 05:45:54 PM »

Howie, Be careful of some of the hybred cars of today. The overall cost of ownership over a 5 year period is projected to be appx. 30% higher than a straight 4 cyl gas car. In order to justify the cost of hybred you have to drive lots and lots of CITY miles. I am sure they are good for our enviroment,I am not so sure they are all that good for our pocketbook. I see people make mistakes buying the wrong cars all the time. Dont you be one of them. Kevin
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2008, 05:53:10 PM »

Yeah Tommy, but I'm talking about making your own hydrogen, on board, with your household garbage! Completely self-contained system. By product of the whole thing...H2O! Now that's clean, renewable energy! And solves loads of problems! And we ain't never gonna stop making garbage!!! ;D ;)

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Hoist, you talk the best trash I've ever heard!
Absolutely a renewable source, no drilling involved...I doubt trash prices will go up- anyone else wanna talk trash?

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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2008, 07:38:06 PM »

Howie, Be careful of some of the hybred cars of today. The overall cost of ownership over a 5 year period is projected to be appx. 30% higher than a straight 4 cyl gas car. In order to justify the cost of hybred you have to drive lots and lots of CITY miles. I am sure they are good for our enviroment,I am not so sure they are all that good for our pocketbook. I see people make mistakes buying the wrong cars all the time. Dont you be one of them. Kevin

Thanks Kevin. I'm done looking at Hybrids. Looking at the VW GTI right now. Hot little car getting rave reviews about the way it handles! :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2008, 10:38:22 PM »

 the lack of infrastructure for re-fueling stations is what keeps the alternatives out of the mainstream for now. hydrogen fo example.

 if we bottled all the bullchit  here we would be self sufficient....... :coolblue:


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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2008, 11:20:26 PM »

Howie, I've been thinking about your car search -- and what I think you've found is the market system playing out a perfect storm.  Al Gore's off winning a Nobel Prize for his spunk on Global Warming, the nuts on Wall Street are paying too much for oil, we've had a credit crisis that has driven down the value of the dollar, housing, stocks and just about everything we held onto as any type of security and we stupid Americans are basking in our own apathy crying about the prices of things.  There's a reason they make $35,000 motorcycles and $75,000 hybrids -- people are buying them.  People aren't buying 10 MPG Expeditions these days, so they're getting cleared out at whatever price they will bring to make room for the new line up of higher dollar less cost to produce junk.  If people would only stop and do the math on how much fuel they could buy for the extra they're spending (and will never recover) they'd stop buying them.

There are no answers.  Government sure isn't going to help and I sure as hell don't want them to try.  The market will correct itself if we spend smart -- the dollar is our voice.
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2008, 11:24:53 PM »

Well Dave, she still needs a car. She like the Honda CR-V. That's probably the one now. I kinda liked the GTI, but she knows what I'll do to that thing! :o ;D ;D ;D

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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2008, 11:38:08 PM »

A buddy of mine drives the Subaru Impreza WRX.  A blast to drive and pretty good on gas too.  I had a VW back in high school, and it was really reliable but not so good in an accident.  Today's are better I'm sure.  Good luck in the search.
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2008, 02:30:48 AM »

Hoist,  I share the frustrations.  It's the same from hybrids to gas clothes dryers.  Little story.  When we got a house built for us I paid for extra gas lines to run appliances.  When we went for the appliances I was surprised to see that gas dryers are more expensive.  Amortize that cost compared to an electric dryer and I start seeing savings in about 10 years!!  Just when it is about time to buy a replacement!

A thought.  Why are we in Iraq?  Spending 10 billion a month!  Are we seeing and reward from it?  You would thing we would see a discount in crude for our help over there.  No!!!  Then why don't we take that 10 billion a month and excite alternative fuels technology?  Some how, some way the politicians will skim of the top to the point where there is no savings.  Very Frustrating!!

Recently on the news the oil officers will be answering the "hard" to the senate committee.  Why are oil cost up and profits at records?  Yea right!  Like that is going to do squat!  The government is threatening to pull some of their taxes breaks since profits are so good.  Like we will see any relief from that.

All that BS and now they want to take the bikinis away from the baristas in Seattle!!
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Re: How Much More Scamming Will We Take?
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2008, 09:09:05 AM »

Howie, I've been thinking about your car search -- and what I think you've found is the market system playing out a perfect storm.  Al Gore's off winning a Nobel Prize for his spunk on Global Warming, the nuts on Wall Street are paying too much for oil, we've had a credit crisis that has driven down the value of the dollar, housing, stocks and just about everything we held onto as any type of security and we stupid Americans are basking in our own apathy crying about the prices of things.  There's a reason they make $35,000 motorcycles and $75,000 hybrids -- people are buying them.  People aren't buying 10 MPG Expeditions these days, so they're getting cleared out at whatever price they will bring to make room for the new line up of higher dollar less cost to produce junk.  If people would only stop and do the math on how much fuel they could buy for the extra they're spending (and will never recover) they'd stop buying them.

There are no answers.  Government sure isn't going to help and I sure as hell don't want them to try.  The market will correct itself if we spend smart -- the dollar is our voice.

Huge sums of money have been pizzed away over the years by folks who didn't think beyond the next weekend, and I'm quite certain this time will be no different.  I still remember all those people back in the 70's who traded in nearly new full size cars, at less than 50 cents on the dollar, for a tiny Japanese car at several thousand over MSRP, all because of a fuel scare.  The best part was that the fuel situation quickly changed, and many of those same folks who couldn't stand those tiny underpowered cars wound up losing their shirts again trading back the other way.  As a certain impresario once noted, there's a sucker born every minute.

For those of you who for one reason or another must have a full size car or truck, this is a good time to buck the trend and look for some real bargains. 

I still remember all the teeth gnashing and crying every time we've had a blip in fuel costs or availability over the past three decades.  In my lifetime I've seen gas go from $0.19 per gallon to the current $4.05, with lots of ups and downs in between.  After all the dire predictions of the 70's and 80's, I look at the excesses of the last 15 years (Hummers, 8 passenger SUV's, etc.) and just shake my head.  The vast majority of those vehicles can be seen cruising the roads with only one person inside.  And I see many folks with these vehicles who don't even have kids to justify the extra room, they just drive them because they're "cool".  The American public doesn't get it, and never will get it. 

I find it difficult to feel sorry for people who keep shooting themselves in the foot.  And I have no sympathy at all for those who expect someone else (the auto companies, the government, the tooth fairy) to magically produce solutions overnight.  If the consumers had demanded more fuel efficient alternatives instead of more bloat over the past several decades, manufacturers would have responded.  So far every attempt by manufacturer's or government to force the issue has failed because the consumer wouldn't buy the product.  Instead, the public demanded more size and more power.  In a free market, you tend to get what the consumer votes for with his $$$.  My advice to those who want an answer to our energy woes is similar to the advice I offer to those wanting decent quality and value from H-D:  vote with your pocketbook.  Don't buy another Harley until they take the customer seriously, and stop buying 10 mpg behemoths to ride up and down the freeway.
 
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