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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2008, 02:51:12 PM »
Quote from: sadunbar on July 21, 2008, 02:50:27 PM
I almost made it thru a Monday without having my blood pressure elevated even once - until I read that.  I hate reading memo's that are written by lawyers and try to avoid the facts...   :soapbox:


Still no mention of cylinders.
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2008, 03:02:49 PM »
Quote from: TwoLaneBluesRider on July 21, 2008, 02:51:12 PM

Still no mention of cylinders.
Speaking way above my pay grade here, but is it possible that the new design heads could somehow remedy the cylinder liner movement?  Don't know how but these things have got to mate up properly I'd think for everything to work correctly.  Is it possible that with the larger bore the regular heads weren't up to the task? :nixweiss:
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008, 05:43:04 PM »
I am told that the new  heads will have circlips fitted to the valve guides I presume that this is to stop them from moving (down)  into the heads combustion chamber. I have spoken with the MD of HD  Europe and asked him what was to be done about the 110" motor he told me about the changes and fixes, when I enquired about the  cylinder he stated that there was a fix for that as well and that it would be done at the same time as the re-call ---OOOps sorry   not re-call   errrm the product enhancement programe .
As an aside my own dealer knew nothing about the fixes untill I told him and so is just a little bit peeved that HD did not inform the dealers (UK and Europe)  before it was common Knowledge via sites like this  and customers knew more about the problems  and proposed fixes than he did ??


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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008, 05:51:18 PM »
Quote from: sadunbar on July 21, 2008, 02:50:27 PM
I almost made it thru a Monday without having my blood pressure elevated even once - until I read that.  I hate reading memo's that are written by lawyers and try to avoid the facts...   :soapbox:

We're Harley Davidson. Our chit don't stink!!! ;)

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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 06:01:36 PM »
Quote from: Chief on July 21, 2008, 05:51:18 PM
We're Harley Davidson. Our chit don't stink!!! ;)

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Chuck, if they screw people around getting the engines fixed someone ought to poke them in the eye with Scott's finger.
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 06:11:12 PM »
Quote from: TwoLaneBluesRider on July 21, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
Chuck, if they screw people around getting the engines fixed someone ought to poke them in the eye with Scott's finger.

I got a rental program in the works... :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2008, 06:14:03 PM »
Quote from: sadunbar on July 21, 2008, 06:11:12 PM
I got a rental program in the works... :2vrolijk_21:

There's got to be a Three Stooges gag in there somewhere.  But I'm missing it right now....  :-\
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2008, 06:26:34 PM »
I don't understand but maybe it is meant to be that way??? Why are only FLHTCUSE getting the valve guide mod???? There is no difference in the 110 applied to ULTRA verses all the other models. The wife's have had valve guide seals pop off the valve guide on her FLHRSE3 to me that would be a sign of valve guide movement. Again the MOCO makes no sense(as always)!!!

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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2008, 06:29:41 PM »
Quote from: TwoLaneBluesRider on July 21, 2008, 02:50:42 PM

No mention of cylinders.
Forgive my stupidity , what is wrong with the cylinders? [inquioring minds want to know]
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2008, 06:32:37 PM »
Quote from: BIGDOG on July 21, 2008, 06:29:41 PM

Forgive my stupidity , what is wrong with the cylinders? [inquioring minds want to know]



A commonly cited cause of at least part of this failure has been liners moving with or expanding beyond the cylinders they are installed in.  Ruining head gaskets in the process.
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2008, 06:35:56 PM »
Forgive my stupidity , what is wrong with the cylinders?


You don't own a dealership, do you?  (Stare into the light and repeat after me....)   :huepfenlol2:
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2008, 06:38:59 PM »
I thought the head gasket issue was that it was a layered gasket with no compression ring on it so the layers eventually split apart . Is a liner meant to have any movement under normal conditions?
PS I did stare into the light but I forgot what to repeat.
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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2008, 09:46:40 PM »
I did not see this document from Steve Phillips (the earlier PDF) - not the info I saw & it was NOT signed by anybody.  Saw something else indicating parts that would be replaced & cylinders WERE included.  Believe what I saw was Tech Tip #372.



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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2008, 09:06:35 AM »
Quote from: iski on July 21, 2008, 09:46:40 PM
I did not see this document from Steve Phillips (the earlier PDF) - not the info I saw & it was NOT signed by anybody.  Saw something else indicating parts that would be replaced & cylinders WERE included.  Believe what I saw was Tech Tip #372.


I think it will remain somewhat confusing until the actual Service Bulletin comes out.  By that time all the information from the earlier tech tips and letters should have been consolidated, blessed by the corporate counsel, and purged of all indications of corporate responsibility.  It will turn out that H-D is performing this "Upgrade" strictly out of the goodness of their hearts, to prevent failures caused by owner abuse and acts of God.  It will also still be vague enough that many dealers will not understand it, causing them to piss off customers when they refuse to replace certain parts.  In other words, typical Harley.

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Re: CVO 110 Engine "Product Improvement Campaign" Data Only Here!
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2008, 09:23:34 AM »
Hope the heads cure all the top end noise these 110's make.
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