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[FNGw/08SERK]

we also hadn't been attacked my islamofacists...  folks seems to have forgotten that little event on 11 Sept.

I didn't - and have been to Iraq and other asshole parts of the world 3 times in the past 4 years to repay our debt

We sure have short memories it seems. Smokin' the peace pipe with folks DOES NOT WORK!!! They DO NOT

rationalize as we do. They do not value life as we do. Like Sean I've been there, voluntarily, just like all the other brave men and women there today.

Maybe these volunteers know something the nay sayers do not    Just a thought!      

[hunter]

we also hadn't been attacked my islamofacists...  folks seems to have forgotten that little event on 11 Sept.

I didn't - and have been to Iraq and other asshole parts of the world 3 times in the past 4 years to repay our debt

No one has forgotten or trying to forget 9-11.  The reason we haven't been attacked since then is because we are more alert and smarter have a department called Homeland Security and not because of the war in Iraq.  As a mater of fact 15 of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and Prince Al Valid of Saudi was the one that said "American brought this upon themselves".  Osama is relative of him and they fully support his cause and support him financially.  Pakistan has nuclear weapon and they do support Taliban and Osama quietly.  No one is questioning our soldiers honor or courage.  It's the leaders motivations that are questionable.  I did vote for Bush and considering the alternatives, I will always vote Republican.  We need to fight terrorism, and yes there were training camps in Iraq, but 5 years and 150,000+ troops could have comb the southern Afghanistan and whip out Osama and his tugs.

One other note, over 90% of the scientist and brains who work in Iran's nuclear facility are from Russia.  You cut them off and the project will fail.

[hunter]

2,758 estimated killed in the WTC attacks....As Sean said...Has anyone forgotten that?   

There are always going to be those who no matter what; will continue to slam the purpose, efforts, and results, of the war in Iraq. Most of those folks would rather sit at home like little wussies and negotiate with the terrorist pigs.

Thank you Sean and EVERY man and women of our honorable military for their brave and courageous efforts in assuring we never get attacked again.

4151 HEROS will always be honored as will the HEROS to come...SALUTE!!

if that's aimed at me, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Twolanerider]

we also hadn't been attacked my islamofacists...  folks seems to have forgotten that little event on 11 Sept.

I didn't - and have been to Iraq and other asshole parts of the world 3 times in the past 4 years to repay our debt

For the few that have trouble with the concept there's even one more way to put it.  Back during the Cold War it was a common refrain that America paid a disproportionate cost of the defense of NATO; of Europe.  That the Europeans weren't paying as much for their own defense as we were. 

The point would often leave out the fact of a shared enemy.  Even more importantly it left out what the Europeans did bring to the table.  They provided the battlefield.  By choice of strategy they and we challenged the Soviets across Europe primarily.  Having the primary conventional battlefield someplace off our shores was bigger than any defense budget line item.

The operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere have obviously been expensive.  In every measure.  They've obviously not been absolute victories.  Though those rarely happen in non-conventional conflicts.  Those operations moved the battlefield from our backyard back to theirs though.  That's an immeasurable gain.

[elvislee]

if that's aimed at me, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Its aimed at THOSE who follow that route of thinking...Just that simple.

[cuthbertss]

For the few that have trouble with the concept there's even one more way to put it.  Back during the Cold War it was a common refrain that America paid a disproportionate cost of the defense of NATO; of Europe.  That the Europeans weren't paying as much for their own defense as we were. 

The point would often leave out the fact of a shared enemy.  Even more importantly it left out what the Europeans did bring to the table.  They provided the battlefield.  By choice of strategy they and we challenged the Soviets across Europe primarily.  Having the primary conventional battlefield someplace off our shores was bigger than any defense budget line item.

The operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere have obviously been expensive.  In every measure.  They've obviously not been absolute victories.  Though those rarely happen in non-conventional conflicts.  Those operations moved the battlefield from our backyard back to theirs though.  That's an immeasurable gain.

Don you bring up a key point that many miss... 
and is certainly rarely discussed publically....

Iraq/ Afghanistan  is the away game.  every crazy SOB who has a bent for attacking america goes there to shoot at or blow himself up near americans....  our Soldiers are aware of this..and keep VOLUNTEERING to go back.  why?  becuase they see value in this, and they see progress in these countries toward a better end state for them and for us.

[Twolanerider]

Don you bring up a key point that many miss... 
and is certainly rarely discussed publically....

Iraq/ Afghanistan  is the away game.  every crazy SOB who has a bent for attacking america goes there to shoot at or blow himself up near americans....  our Soldiers are aware of this..and keep VOLUNTEERING to go back.  why?  becuase they see value in this, and they see progress in these countries toward a better end state for them and for us.

The numbers on just that fact (those that volunteer to return or extend) are jaw dropping.  Don't have the bio's at hand to confirm this but think I remember it correctly that  Monsoor and Dunham were both on voluntary extensions when they earned their CMHs.

[Sean M Cary]

No one has forgotten or trying to forget 9-11.  The reason we haven't been attacked since then is because we are more alert and smarter have a department called Homeland Security and not because of the war in Iraq.  As a mater of fact 15 of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and Prince Al Valid of Saudi was the one that said "American brought this upon themselves".  Osama is relative of him and they fully support his cause and support him financially.  Pakistan has nuclear weapon and they do support Taliban and Osama quietly.  No one is questioning our soldiers honor or courage.  It's the leaders motivations that are questionable.  I did vote for Bush and considering the alternatives, I will always vote Republican.  We need to fight terrorism, and yes there were training camps in Iraq, but 5 years and 150,000+ troops could have comb the southern Afghanistan and whip out Osama and his tugs.

One other note, over 90% of the scientist and brains who work in Iran's nuclear facility are from Russia.  You cut them off and the project will fail.

you know how may foreign fighters we killed a month in Iraq?  I do...staggering.

[FNGw/08SERK]

you know how may foreign fighters we killed a month in Iraq?  I do...staggering.

Not enough! 

[cuthbertss]

The numbers on just that fact (those that volunteer to return or extend) are jaw dropping.  Don't have the bio's at hand to confirm this but think I remember it correctly that  Monsoor and Dunham were both on voluntary extensions when they earned their CMHs.

the CMH citations are awesome..these brave young men ( hell, kids in many cases) are the bravest people i have ever heard of
it is inspiring... in a few weeks the CMH gathering will occur in Denver of all living recipients who can travel

I am trying very hard to be a part of it

[cuthbertss]

Not enough! 

yea..thats why this thing takes time

[hunter]

Not enough! 

I agree Howie, not enough.  Why not fumigate Lebanon which is their staging camp?  That'll stop almost all of them (except the ones that go through Iran and Syria).

[FNGw/08SERK]

I agree Howie, not enough.  Why not fumigate Lebanon which is their staging camp?  That'll stop almost all of them (except the ones that go through Iran and Syria).

Political will?? Examine how long it took us to take out Iran (see April 18, !988 Operation Preying Mantis) or Iraq. Many of us think these things should be accomplished in the speed and manner in which Hollywood writers, producers and directors tell us!!!

Howie

Here you will find an article written by an Iranian... here is his perspective http://hereticdhammasangha.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/naval-clash-1988-us-navy-vs-iran-naval-coast-guard/

[Sean M Cary]

yea..thats why this thing takes time

correct...  The number of foreign fighters (in Anbar at least) ALWAYS exceeded the Iraqi sunni/shia deaths.  I can't remember the numbers, and they were all classified anyway - but the folks coming in to Jihad were doing a good job of thinning their ranks.

When I was in Iraq in 05-06 the first time, we were smacking in Anabar 80-90 a day.  That kind of attrition does not lend itself to continued aggression.

Sean