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[HDDOCFL]

Anyone have a dyno run with just a baffle change on a 09 110"?  Thanks Doc

[Highjagger]

As we can see at WTS`s dyno the AFR is nearly constant at 13 and that brings him the good result .
I want to compare it to my Thundermax closed loop autotuned 2007 Fatboy which autotuned to the same AFR 13 level as shown above and was running very very well .
What i want to say is :
The Thundermax closed loop autotune seems to be a very good ECM-replacement-option and i am convinced that the tune of it can win the battle against all other tuning hard.-and soft.-ware which is available , and saves all the dynoruns because of the self autotune module work .
When i have to decide sometimes in the future , then i will surely prefer the thundermax again , i guess .
but i am not a specialist for dynoruns at all and tht thundermax will do the work for me in a good way .

[Godeater]

  We have removed more Thundermax's then installed.  Usually its a throttle responce issue, they seem slow and they feel slow when you twist it hard and fast.  The dyno proves that out when you look at the runs in time rather then rpm or speed.  Other issues are decel popping really bad with no solution, which brings me to the one that will piss off the most even temper biker, the total lack of any form of support from Zippers.  Just what we have seen at our little shop.

[Highjagger]

That`s very interesting to hear about , but as i said , i am not really a specialist and only know that mine was running very well but if this was a optimum i don`t know . Maybe a tuner-specialist makes it better than the Thundermax ( when i read your statement than it has to be in this way ). here in germany i guess there are not those specialist for dynoruns like you have in the US , just childs in comparison to yours perhaps .

[wts]

                       I think the new power commander has a self tune module as a option   ...   don't have it yet but probably will

                                                                                  wts

[Highjagger]

I saw this autotune module for the powercommander on their website , but wondered because noone talked about yet .

Is it the same base as the thundermax working , with the wideband lambdas ?

[Talon]

One problem with the auto tune devices is it only can tune the cells that are in the closed loop mode. You still need to do something about the areas that don't get covered by the auto tune mode.

[Highjagger]

And which ones are those ?

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

 09 SERG

OK I am confused...  After all I traded in my carbed 2006 Springer Softail with a Big Bore Kit that was dyno tuned at 87 hp and 93 tq. for a 09 SERG.  Am I really seeing such a great difference in these numbers?  Before I start spending, which looks like I will need to I need to know a few things...

I would like to know what the consitant stock numbers are...
I need to know if you remove the CC can you replace it if needed?
What is the best exhaust system for some deep loudER sound and
Better power and tq numbers
Will I need a SERT
Will I need new cams

Thanks from a newbie

[The Bolvine Gigolo!]

Why! don't you guy's that have the new SERG already do what I'm doing just wait for an other month or so! I have over four thousand miles everything still stock, Oh! alittle chrome bling but AK and I are waiting on pipes and tuner's until the Big builders and after market guy's come out with all there different pipes and mufflers. Then you'll have afew different options, other then sounding like a sewing machine the bike runs good. I can live with that until.
Just my .02cents keep the change..............    

[NW_FLSTRSE3_2009]

Why! don't you guy's that have the new SERG already do what I'm doing just wait for an other month or so! I have over four thousand miles everything still stock, Oh! alittle chrome bling but AK and I are waiting on pipes and tuner's until the Big builders and after market guy's come out with all there different pipes and mufflers. Then you'll have afew different options, other then sounding like a sewing machine the bike runs good. I can live with that until.
Just my .02cents keep the change..............    

I cant agree more!  I plan on waiting, I am only requesting information in order to make an informed modification.  I am not an experienced mechanic and do not have the theories and principles experience of engines exhaust etc. that many do here, so I am learning.  I know what I want for sound, look and feel on the bike I just don't know how to get there yet. 

[Talon]

And which ones are those ?

You'd have to load some software from one of the closed loop systems to really look at the maps. The closed loops cells usually are in red, the "closed loop" feature is only active during cruise and idle which will not help changes affecting WOT.
 Most closed loop systems require base mapping to be within 80% of the correct values required with the closed loop portion then fine tuning the remaining 20%. Wide band O2's may offer more range and with software able to dynamically recalibrate as the sensors shift mapping the ranging problem is less of an issue (just takes more time for the computer to fully map/learn the new values under all conditions.

Here's a map I found on the TTS site to show the cells in closed loop.

[Highjagger]

But don`t you think that the autotune modules are a good alternative for people who have not the knowledge to tune a bike ?
I think it`s a better solution than going to a tuner that robbs your bucks and spend hours for dynoruns everytime you change your bike-configuration .
 When you are able to do it on your own or when you have a good friend or tuner that earns your trust than you i agree with you and you are right . no problem .

[Talon]

But don`t you think that the autotune modules are a good alternative for people who have not the knowledge to tune a bike ?
I think it`s a better solution than going to a tuner that robbs your bucks and spend hours for dynoruns everytime you change your bike-configuration .
 When you are able to do it on your own or when you have a good friend or tuner that earns your trust than you i agree with you and you are right . no problem .

I guess it depends, what you do to your bike. If your just adding pipes and an AC, I'd think twice before spending $300-$400 dollars on a tune. If I did the full ride, cams, heads, pistons, I'd spend the extra money on a dyno tune.

I added pipes and AC to my bike, and downloaded a canned map to my PCIII. It ran fine, but wasn't sure how well the map matched. A local shop had a special, $25 dyno pulls, so I rode my bike there 30 miles, so it was warm, he loaded it on right away, did a pull, most cells and AFR were pretty good except two spots. He said for $50 more he'd put it back on the dyno and change those two areas. So for $75 I got it pretty close, not as good as a full dyno tune, but runs pretty well.
Was going to do the works this winter, but because of uncertainty with work status, I'm holding off!    But when I do I will do a full dyno tune.
If you work with someone that knows their stuff and a canned map that's close, you could probably smooth in the cells not covered by closed loop tuning, just wanted to say that the "Auto Tune" is not just a plug in and let it go process, and if you can't find a close map to your setup you can still have a bad running bike, Just my thoughts.

Craig

[Highjagger]

maybe you are right , i found a good map for my 96cui but will i also find one for the SERG ? Maybe not ? Thinking about ?