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slaying the dragon 2008
« on: October 21, 2008, 10:48:42 AM »

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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 10:51:17 AM »

yes those are sparks
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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2008, 10:53:08 AM »

got my cd in from moonshinefoto

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You're movin awful slow there Neal! ::) ;D

Cool pic! :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2008, 10:55:30 AM »

yes those are sparks

I thought they were reflections from the "sex lights"
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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2008, 11:17:19 AM »

Couple of observations,

He's not looking where he's going, he's looking where he wants to go.                  :2vrolijk_21:

He's got that finger on the front brake just in case.                                          :2vrolijk_21:

First time I have seen pictures of sparks from a still shot.                                  :2vrolijk_21:

Check out the attitude! He's on the dragon with his foot on the highway peg.       :2vrolijk_21:

Why is the left highway peg hanging down? Or is that just the picture?                :nixweiss:

Notice the left muffler still has maybe an inch to clear even with sparks showing.   :2vrolijk_21:

Allthough he was close he stayed on his side of the DBL yellow!                          :2vrolijk_21:

Where are the chrome covers on the passenger floorboards?                              :nixweiss:


A great set of pictures!

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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 11:22:52 AM »

Chips just jealous, he didn't get to go!! Nice pictures, I had a nice ride Saturday on a really nice twisty canyon road with a couple of friends, it was a great time. Even when I have my camera, I just never get around to taking pictures.
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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 11:25:04 AM »

Couple of observations,

He's not looking where he's going, he's looking where he wants to go.                  :2vrolijk_21:

He's got that finger on the front brake just in case.                                          :2vrolijk_21:

First time I have seen pictures of sparks from a still shot.                                  :2vrolijk_21:

Check out the attitude! He's on the dragon with his foot on the highway peg.       :2vrolijk_21:

Why is the left highway peg hanging down? Or is that just the picture?                :nixweiss:

Notice the left muffler still has maybe an inch to clear even with sparks showing.   :2vrolijk_21:

Allthough he was close he stayed on his side of the DBL yellow!                          :2vrolijk_21:

Where are the chrome covers on the passenger floorboards?                              :nixweiss:


A great set of pictures!

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highway pegs scrape at about the same point at the floorboards

still havent got those. always somehting elses higher on the need to have list
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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 11:26:12 AM »

Chips just jealous, he didn't get to go!! Nice pictures, I had a nice ride Saturday on a really nice twisty canyon road with a couple of friends, it was a great time. Even when I have my camera, I just never get around to taking pictures.


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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 11:30:36 AM »


highway pegs scrape at about the same point at the floorboards

still havent got those. always somehting elses higher on the need to have list

The back edge of the boards scrape, but so do the floor board brackets about the same time! If your on the pipes, your on you way down.
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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 11:40:52 AM »

scraped that up good too
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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2008, 12:10:58 PM »

Nice pics. :2vrolijk_21:

Tell Steve to slow down next time so you don't have to drag parts to keep up. ;) :D

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 12:31:21 PM »

Nice pics. :2vrolijk_21:

Tell Steve to slow down next time so you don't have to drag parts to keep up. ;) :D

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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2008, 01:05:38 PM »

Just grinding off the excess!  :2vrolijk_21:

enhanceing the power to weight ratio one spark at a time
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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2008, 03:31:28 PM »

Just a tip you may or may not know about.
After a ride like the one so nicely documented here, a nice way to touch up those scraped areas is with a coarse and then fine mill file. Once you've got the ragged area smoothed out, go over the raw metal with clear nail polish and you're good to go - - - - - - - till the next time.

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Re: slaying the dragon 2008
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2008, 04:47:15 PM »

I hate to be the naysayer here, but frankly I see this as an example of how NOT to ride the twisties. Harley riders like to lie back and ride like they are on a sofa, which is fine on the highway, but you have to adjust your riding methods when you get in the passes and canyons.

First, if you are scraping the floorboards you are riding too fast. Period. That shower of sparks demonstrates that you are riding above your skill level. If the curve tightens, or an obstacle "jumps" in front of you, you have no margin for error.

Second, the reason he is straddling the double yellow is that he started his turn from the wrong position. Note how in frame one he is in the middle of the lane, so his turn through the curve has to be sharper and his sight lines are decreased– again leaving no margin for error. He should have exited the prior turn near the white line, so that he begins this turn on the outside.

If you look at the third and fourth frames, you notice that the rider is leaning the bike in one direction, and his body is leaning in the opposite direction. A lot of riders think that what they want to do is lean the bike more in a fast curve, so they shift their weight in the opposite direction to get the bike to lean over. That’s why he is scraping the pegs. Remember that its not the leaning that turns the bike, its shifting the center of gravity to one side of the wheels and countersteering. Leaning the bike over does shift the center of gravity, but remember that a big part of the weight on the bike is the rider. Therefore, the more you lean your body into a turn, the less you have to lean the bike.  If you were looking at a skilled rider from the angle of this photo, he would have shifted his weight and you would see his head positioned far to the right side of the windscreen before he starts to scrape.

Riding in the twisties requires different skills than riding in the streets. You have to get up and forward in the seat so you can 1) shift your body weight and 2) put sufficient pressure on the handlebars to countersteer.  A skilful rider will never have his feet on the highway pegs.
This is different than the way most Harley riders ride. In a leaned-back position, with feet forward, you can’t push much on the inside handlebar to countersteer, so most riders actually pull on the opposite handlebar.  That’s ok on the streets, but since you can’t control your weight distribution in this position it will get you in trouble on the twisties.

Lane position is critical. Remember “outside – inside – outside.” Start at the outside of the lane where you have the best line of vision and the most room to maneuver. Make sure to brake to the proper speed before you start to turn the bike. If you are in S curves, you may have to brake aggressively after you exit one curve and before the next. Pick your line and keep your eyes on the end point. Turn the bike by shifting your weight to the side and forward into the handlebar to countersteer. You want to use throttle control so that you are accelerating while you are increasing the turn and lean angle, and let off the throttle as you straighten up the bike. End the turn back in the outside of the lane.

What do you do if you are in a turn, find you are going too fast, and start scraping? Don’t do what a lot of inexperienced riders do and chop the throttle (or brake). A bike raises up on the frame when you add throttle and lowers when you decrease throttle, so chopping the throttle is a sure way to drop the bike. First, shift your body weight as far as you can into the turn. This will bring the lean angle of the bike up. If you need to turn sharper, increase the countersteer pressure on the handlebar (to turn more) and increase the pressure on the throttle (to keep the bike up). It’s a law of physics that in order for a motorcycle to turn sharper you have to increase the throttle. Then brake aggressively when you come out of the turn so you aren’t going too fast for the next one. Keep in mind that you can only do these things if you are sitting up and forward in your seat. (BTW, there was an interesting article in Motorcyclist a couple months back about how this technique works even in a skid).
I know, its counter-intuitive to increase throttle when you already think you are going too fast, but it’s the fear of doing so that puts most riders in the ditch. There have been a lot of studies that show in most motorcycle crashes the motorcycle was capable of making the turn but the rider wasn’t. It’s a good idea to practice this beforehand, so you can do it instinctively when you get into trouble. At a safe rate of speed, take a turn a little too shallow, and then follow the maneuver above to increase the turn. Experiment with shifting your weight in a turn to learn what happens to your bike’s lean angle.

I don’t mean to be critical. But every year I see a lot of “flatlanders” come here and try to ride the canyons without adjusting their riding style, and a lot of them end up in the creek or worse. I think a little bit of knowledge and a few minutes of practice would keep a lot of them out of trouble.
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