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[lee champion]

hey Duane, what is that special tool you used to hold the sprockets in place? screwdriver? hammer?
of course the stealer has to order the moco "part" for 40 bucks so i thinks i will use same "tool" you used!

[porthole]

This?

brass drift
I have the older style moco tool, so I don't know if this will work to remove the bolts. The new gears are larger then the original.

[awalker14]

Bumping this up to see if there's any feedback on the effectiveness of the Screamin' Eagle® Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Plate Upgrade Kit now that it's been out a while.  I'm at 26K on the 06 SEUC and don't want to push it much further with the standard spring tensioner after reading this thread.  Don't know a local wrench I'd trust yet to put gear driven cams in so I'm curious to know how the hydraulic tensioner is working with stock cams as to handling the mileage if anybody can comment?  TIA

[grandpadoc]

Bumping this up to see if there's any feedback on the effectiveness of the Screamin' Eagle® Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Plate Upgrade Kit now that it's been out a while.  I'm at 26K on the 06 SEUC and don't want to push it much further with the standard spring tensioner after reading this thread.  Don't know a local wrench I'd trust yet to put gear driven cams in so I'm curious to know how the hydraulic tensioner is working with stock cams as to handling the mileage if anybody can comment?  TIA

I've done both and the gear drive is actually less complicated, but you can't use your original cams. For some reason, which we could never figure out, the bike lost some low end power with the SE kit. With the S&S 510g I picked up some performance as expected. Just my experience though.  Doc

[spydglide]

I definitely didn't seem to lose any power with mine, although it's 'seat of the pants' dyno.  And not enough miles yet to give any wear data.  Glad it's changed though for the peace of mind if for no other reason.....should have come this way.   har!  spyder

[grandpadoc]

I definitely didn't seem to lose any power with mine, although it's 'seat of the pants' dyno.  And not enough miles yet to give any wear data.  Glad it's changed though for the peace of mind if for no other reason.....should have come this way.   har!  spyder

I'm glad everything worked out fine for your change over. Harley did a nice job with the new oil pump and cam plate. It looks too good to cover up. Doc

[Mr. We]

I definitely didn't seem to lose any power with mine, although it's 'seat of the pants' dyno.  And not enough miles yet to give any wear data.  Glad it's changed though for the peace of mind if for no other reason.....should have come this way.   har!  spyder

So Spydy, what did you do? Did you go with the gear drive or the HD replacement?

I have the w Zippers Redshift 575 (w/gear drives), Feuling oil Pump and plate, D&D fatcat 2/1, Power Commander, K&N airfilter, six speed... Power is huge and yes, I finally heard the whirring sound of the gears that some complain about... I think it was in a quiet moment with no roll-on and the D&Ds weren't popping. 

(I just did a search for the feulin oil pump and hit #5 Was Mrs. We's down time file! http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=16074.0)


 

[porthole]

I've done both and the gear drive is actually less complicated, but you can't use your original cams. For some reason, which we could never figure out, the bike lost some low end power with the SE kit. With the S&S 510g I picked up some performance as expected. Just my experience though.  Doc

I thought the general consensus here was that your tech screwed up and told you that by putting different cams in all would be well 

[grandpadoc]

I thought the general consensus here was that your tech screwed up and told you that by putting different cams in all would be well 

Not exactly, we went through all the time and expense of doing it twice with the SE kit and both noticed the low end problem. You would really have to screw up to get it assembled incorrectly and both of us were careful. The gear assembly was a no brainer, but had to use the old cam plate and pump. It would have been nice to at least use the newer pump, but I'm not having an issue with oil pressure at this point. The new pump would have definitely reduced oil and engine temperature, which in my opinion made those tensioners wear prematurely. The real fix probably was to reduce the temps in the cam chest with the new pump and the rest was for good measure and like I said that new SE cam plate looks real cool.  Doc

[spydglide]

So Spydy, what did you do? Did you go with the gear drive or the HD replacement?



 

Yep, I stayed pretty much stock and used the HD replacement.  Didn't even change cams or pushrods.  I'm happy with the way it runs like that .....  just hope it keeps on keeping on.  har!  spyder

[HDDOCFL]

Bump it up. TTT

[awalker14]

OK folks.  I bumped this up a couple of days ago inquiring about the recently introduced HD Hydraulic Cam Tensioner to see how it might compare to going through the whole geared cam replacement process.  Some good input but doesn't seem to be overwhelming evidence yet on whether its a long term fix to the built-to-fail original spring cam tensioners.  I have an 06 SEUC which is a keeper for me as I'm completely satisfied knowing I have the last year of the 103 and just really like the bike.  With 26K on it, I know I need to change out the cam tension system and am trying to evaluate the options.  I'm no wrench, but went down this evening to the Lone Star Rally and met with Chris Waddell of Cycle Solutions who talks a good line as an S&S distributor.  His offer is to put in the S&S gear driven system with S&S 510 cams, S&S rods, lifters, Timken bearings, gaskets, NGK plugs, and tune the existing system (has a Power Commander with Stage 1 Air filter and V&H true duals with oval slip ons) for $1800.  If the crank measures out with 3 thousandths or less runout, he'll put in the Feuling cam plate and oil pump for an extra $1000.  I'm looking for durability mainly, with smooth lowend power/torque without sacrificing too much top end.  Like I said, its a keeper for me at this point.  I don't know and haven't heard of a reliable tuner around the Houston area, and this sounds appealing, but the costs seem high.  Is $2800 way out of line to get the gear driven cams with rods, lifters, Feuling cam plate and oil pump, along with what sounds like a good tune?  He claims to have a crank measuring piece made by S&S to accurately determine the runout and claims to stake his reputation on not putting expensive pieces into a motor that won't handle it.  I've heard some interesting comments regarding tuning from this website and would appreciate your opinions as Cycle Solutions is here for the rally this weekend and I'm trying to decide to get it done, versus simply replacing the existing tensioner with the HD Hyrdraulic piece. Thanks in advance for your input. 

[spydglide]

Just one man's opinion, but I went with just replacing the crummy origional tensioners with the new HD kit.......it looks so much better that I can't imagine having any longevity problems with it.  And as I said before, my bike runs plenty good 'as is' with 63K miles on the 'stock' motor.  Just put a big ole grin on my face yesterday in 3 digits.  har!  spyder

[grandpa geez]

I had just over 66 thousand on my 01 ultra before I totaled it 4 months ago and I checked the tensioners  about 1000 miles before that for the second time and those mf'ers looked  damn near brand new. I know its hard to believe but all I can attribute that to is running mobile1 since the first thousand miles. Maybe I just got lucky but then again Im not the type of guy that hammers on my chit. I dont like to waste money so I try and run things the way way their meant to be run. Anyway in my honest opinion if your gonna get in there and f with the tensioners your a fool if you dont go ahead and go GEAR DRIVE.......jUST MY OPINION

[awalker14]

Thanks for the response.  While waiting, I thought it might generate a quicker response by starting a new thread, so I apologize if I've duplicated the subject but do appreciate your response.  Any input on the cost of putting in a gear driven system with the cams, lifters, bearings, rods, lifters, gaskets for $1700?  Tune + $100.  Feuling plate and oil pump +$1000? Total job $2800?  The Cycle Solution guy, Chris Waddell,  seems like the real thing, but they'll be leaving town after the rally so I'm a little uneasy without more references.  I've seen a couple of favorable comments about them on the website here but thought I'd ask.  Thanks.