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From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« on: May 29, 2009, 03:56:50 PM »

The 408 tires are now not going to be used, my dealer said MOco went back to the 407's. Does anyone know if this is true or are they just trying to get rid of the 407's HELP
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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 08:31:16 PM »

The 408 tires are now not going to be used, my dealer said MOco went back to the 407's. Does anyone know if this is true or are they just trying to get rid of the 407's HELP


Bulletin from Harley says to use up remaining inventory of 407's.

That may be fine for some but not me.

I have a great dealer and they had to work hard to find the 408's but my 09 SEUC has one now.

The document is attached below.


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This document was originally posted by a member that changes handles as fast as some of us change underwear.
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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 10:44:12 PM »

After looking at the tread differences, it seems that the 408 may be somewhat of a danger on wet pavement.  It looks to me like the rotation and tread would pull water into the center of the tire causing hydroplaning. 

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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 10:59:47 PM »

Geeeezzzzzzzzz


 ???    ???    ???    ???  


So I guess this means that the thousands and thousands of new 09 roadkings, classics, street glides, road glides and ultra's that now come standard with the 408 are subject to hydroplaning.

YES, this is the internet and you read it here first.

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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 11:45:25 PM »

After looking at the tread differences, it seems that the 408 may be somewhat of a danger on wet pavement.  It looks to me like the rotation and tread would pull water into the center of the tire causing hydroplaning. 



I thought that at first, but, take a look at an ME880 Metzeler. Very similar tread design, and the ME880 works great in the wet.
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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 11:51:38 PM »

After looking at the tread differences, it seems that the 408 may be somewhat of a danger on wet pavement.  It looks to me like the rotation and tread would pull water into the center of the tire causing hydroplaning. 



If you track down the thread on rust running out of the swingarms you will find that the answer to that issue will also answer your concern about tread patterns and wet pavement.  I believe one gentleman who complained about the rust dripping out of his swingarm was told to avoid getting the bike wet.  Sounds like another excellent answer, in fact one of the very best in the long tradition of outstanding answers to customer complaints.  Little did we know that not only are these bikes not waterproof, they're not even water resistant.  It's amazing that no matter how long some of us have been around, we can still learn something new every day!

BTW, if you read the bulletin closely you will notice that they really don't say the tread pattern was backward and that they are fixing the issue by flipping it 180°.  To do so would be an admission that there was a screwup, and they would be compelled to replace all those backward tires rather than using up the inventory first.  So they indicate only that the change may improve abnormal wear for some riders.  Kind of a backhanded slap at the owners of the bikes, as if something they are doing is the real cause of the problem but in Harley's never ending quest to satisfy customers they decided to change the design of the tire to help out.  IMHO, the tread pattern looks goofy either way, and I still wonder if the change really is going to make a significant difference in cupping.  I somehow think this is another of those smoke and mirror "fixes" to appease folks for a while until the next big issue rears it's head. 

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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 09:19:07 AM »

I thought that at first, but, take a look at an ME880 Metzeler. Very similar tread design, and the ME880 works great in the wet.

I see what you mean.  The 408's are probably okay then. 

A little off topic, but here is the advise motorcops.com gives for hydroplaning:

If you do hydroplane, do not steer, lean or apply any braking but maintain your direction and PRAY
http://www.motorcops.com/police_training/RidingintheRain.pdf


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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2009, 11:53:24 AM »

Talked to my dealer yesterday and its' not an issue to change the 407's. The Harley-paper (TT400 29 January 2009) says to use the inventory D407 first and then swap to the 408's. Read this paper carefully, it may change your point on this issue. The 408 are not on sale yet , as Dunlop sales-clerk here in switzerland said. Dunlop has no issue with the 407, if it's setup the right way (rotation arrow). Some dealer did this mistake (rotation wrong) and before blaiming themselves, they told customers about a MOCO-problem and they would change the tire for free. I read many things in here about this tire and I think it's hard to find out, what has really happened. Because a buddy of mine got his new SERG 09 two weeks later and already the 408 on it. So if Dunlop has no recall, the Moco has none, who's to blame? I drove home from the dealer on the highway yesterday driving about 80 miles/h, I could drive hand-free without any wobbling at the front. About 1600 miles on it.

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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2009, 12:20:15 PM »

Talked to my dealer yesterday and its' not an issue to change the 407's. The Harley-paper (TT400 29 January 2009) says to use the inventory D407 first and then swap to the 408's. Read this paper carefully, it may change your point on this issue. The 408 are not on sale yet , as Dunlop sales-clerk here in switzerland said. Dunlop has no issue with the 407, if it's setup the right way (rotation arrow). Some dealer did this mistake (rotation wrong) and before blaiming themselves, they told customers about a MOCO-problem and they would change the tire for free. I read many things in here about this tire and I think it's hard to find out, what has really happened. Because a buddy of mine got his new SERG 09 two weeks later and already the 408 on it. So if Dunlop has no recall, the Moco has none, who's to blame? I drove home from the dealer on the highway yesterday driving about 80 miles/h, I could drive hand-free without any wobbling at the front. About 1600 miles on it.

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Read this paper carefully, it may change your point on this issue. The 408 are not on sale yet , as Dunlop sales-clerk here in switzerland said

That may just apply to Switzerland because they are available here in the states.

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So if Dunlop has no recall, the Moco has none, who's to blame?

On this forum there are thousands and thousands of post trying to determine, "who is to blame" when we all know the answer is usually, "the company selling the product".

I got 11600 miles out of my 407, it wasn't worn out but it was cupped so I changed it to a 408.

So who knows how many miles I will get out of the 408, but when it's worn out it be be changed also.

But whether it's 11600 miles or whatever from the 408, I'd rather enjoy the ride than worry about the tire.

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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 02:46:06 PM »

They warranteed my D407 and installed a D408!
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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 04:56:10 PM »

That may just apply to Switzerland because they are available here in the states.

On this forum there are thousands and thousands of post trying to determine, "who is to blame" when we all know the answer is usually, "the company selling the product".

I got 11600 miles out of my 407, it wasn't worn out but it was cupped so I changed it to a 408.

So who knows how many miles I will get out of the 408, but when it's worn out it be be changed also.

But whether it's 11600 miles or whatever from the 408, I'd rather enjoy the ride than worry about the tire.

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Hey Chip,
Why would you worry about your tire, your bike is on a trailer!

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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 05:08:00 PM »

Hey Chip,
Why would you worry about your tire, your bike is on a trailer!

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It is, which one?
I just checked the surveilance camera's, no bikes on a trailer on the video for the past thirty days.

I just checked, the two scooters, the 01 SERG, the 03 Classic and the 05 SEEG are in the garage.
The 09 is at the Harley shop on a lift.
And all three trailers are empty.

Is this a trick question?

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Re: From 407's to 408 BACK to 407's TIRES
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 06:43:24 PM »


Phil

It is, which one?
I just checked the surveilance camera's, no bikes on a trailer on the video for the past thirty days.

I just checked, the two scooters, the 01 SERG, the 03 Classic and the 05 SEEG are in the garage.
The 09 is at the Harley shop on a lift.
And all three trailers are empty.

Is this a trick question?

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In your picture in the last post.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 06:44:19 PM »

In your picture in the last post.

My bad, it's a lift.  The diamond plate looked just like my trailer.
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