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[GC_Super]

Wow, three days and no new problems!  Anyway, I did a Google search this morning for FLHTCUSE, just for chits and giggles. One of the things that came up was powersports.com. They had a couple of reviews by owners and a question and answer board.  One of the questions was by a watermelon owner who was asking if anybody else had the problem of the bags and lids, and the inner and outer fairing not matching.  With at least one member here with a green bike with paint problems and some mention of the Haze bikes not looking right, it appears to be an issue across the board with the stripped pieces. It just shows up more on the darker colors.
  
Did anybody hear anything from the owners that attended the dealers meeting last week?  Just curious for some new gossip/news.

[WFP]

I took a GOOD flashlight with me when I first looked at the bike.  I did not see any differences.  After I got it home, with a 500W Halogen, the issue is obvious.

I just looked at a HAZE, Outside, and you can definately find the difference once you know exactly what to look for.

Oh and my SED may finally be done with all repairs next Wednesday, YEAH! [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

/Bill

[_usa_eagle_]

I talked to my Dealer yesturday,, and she was at the show.  She said there was a Crimson / Slate  there,, so she looked at it -----   she said she could see that someone had put alot of time in buffing the bike,, because  she could see the scratches on the outside of the fairing.    She said the bike there,, , definately had the same paint problem,, that mine has at the Dealership.  
    She didnt know until she got back this week,, that the MOCO was shipping her all new tins for my bike.  I told her they called me,,(the MOCO) and told me when they arrived  (3 weeks)  I could then pick the set of tins,, that I wanted for my bike.  I was told,,  the  NEW  tins,, were going to look,,  exactly like the tins on it now!!!  I will wait and see!!!!
 
         _USA_

[2up]

Eagle I am very curious what your new tins will look like. If they are the same what are we going to do? I am thinking of looking in to the lemon law if the MOCO dosen't come clean on the issue.

[bgregston]

Just came back from the dealer to see my Haze for the first time. It came in yesterday! I only saw it inside under florescent lighting. I've been keeping a close eye on the paint threads and had prepared myself the best I could for a big let down after the long wait. I also want to say before I get into this that I do have some experience with automotive painting but I'm certainly not an authority.

Without question the inner fairing is different than the outer fairing. I couldn't tell much about the bag lid and the bag itself, probably because of the lighting but suspect they're different as well. The flake was different and the color was different.
 
First off (I may get flamed here) but I thought the bike was absolutely beautiful. The quality of the job was very good. I personally thought the differences complemented each other well. I will accept this bike without hesitation.

Now that I've seen the issue first hand and comparing the pictures posted on this site I'm wondering if there isn't a bit of confusion. Two different issues. I think it's possible that the MOCO may be telling the truth that "it's supposed to be that way". In other words I think that the difference between the inner and outer fairing really could be intentional. HOWEVER, the milky paint I've seen in the pictures, more obvious on the Crimson, is without a doubt WRONG. That is a bad paint job and should be corrected. I realize that I also need to consider the issue of what occurs over time. Also, I have to consider the differences between the three color schemes.

Back to the intentional difference. If the colors are intentionally different shouldn't it be easy for the MOCO to back that up? Paints have codes. If the colors are different they will have a different code. Has anyone asked the rep's investigating the issue to backup their claims by producing the different codes?

Just my 2 cents.

Bret

[_usa_eagle_]

Bret.........
  If you had read all the posts on this subject, I wrote way back when,,  that I was told the parts that are milky in color,, are aparts where there are only 1 solid color painted.  If they have more then 1 color,, such as the front of the fairing,, the gas tank,, the bottom of the bags, and the front fender,,,  then they are milky.  My inner fairing,  top of bags,, and rear fender are all fine,, and shine with the metal flake in them.  You can use a regular flashlight and see the difference since that is what I used at the Dealer when I took my bike back.  I used a 1 million candle power light here in my garage,, and the paint is as different as day and night.  I asked the girl from the MOCO who called me last week,, about what I would be able to do with this bike since it is paid for,,,  if I was NOT satisfied with the new set of tins,, and she told me I would not have to keep it,, and I havent even had a chance to ride it !!!  I told her I have put over $3000 in add-ons to it,, and she told me that would be taken care of.  
   PERHAPS I will be waiting for the 2007 models to come out before I will be riding a SE ULTRA !!!!!   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
               _USA_

[Twolanerider]

Back to the intentional difference. If the colors are intentionally different shouldn't it be easy for the MOCO to back that up? Paints have codes. If the colors are different they will have a different code. Has anyone asked the rep's investigating the issue to backup their claims by producing the different codes?

Just my 2 cents.

Bret

Bret, that's another reason why the "it's supposed to be that way" defense has seemed a bit of a crock.  The paints will not only have different codes, if they are different colors they'd have different names.  Check Harley's website on the CVO bikes.  The Haze bike's color description is "Autumn Haze and Vivid Black."  It's not Autumn Haze and Vivid Black and Variations Thereof or Autumn Haze and Vivid Black and a Lighter Shade of Haze.

They describe two primary colors.  That's it.  So you guys with the 06s shouldn't be remiss in expecting two primary colors.  The fact that on your bike the variations may be complementary is a fortunate thing.  That still doesn't mean it's supposed to be that way.

[bgregston]

So far, from the last two posts there is no disagreement. I'm saying that there are obviously differences and the location of the differences are consistently where _usa_eagle_ states. I also agree with twolane that the marketing material is misleading. My main point was getting proof of the "intentional" differences by getting the MOCO to present paint codes. I belive this is issue 1. The 2nd issue is a quality issue. Milky is WRONG. It's bad and should be corrected. Period. The jury's still out on issue 1, until the MOCO presents proof that the difference is intentional. I was passing along my suggestion of a possible way to obtain proof.

[Twolanerider]

I was passing along my suggestion of a possible way to obtain proof.

Independent third party data collection.  Go to a PPG paint dealer and get them to look up the codes.  See what the system says it's supposed to be.

[gator]

I spoke with the tech dept. at PPG 800-647-6050. PPG did make & mix the Black Candy Crimson but does not have a paint code, all custome colors HD gives them a paint code not PPG. PPG only has assigned their paint codes to stock HD colors.
I told him about the problem and he stated clear would not cause a milky finish and if this was intentional by HD " they will have a seperate paint code for the differant color"

[Grover]

Why in the world would the damn MoCo or anyone for that matter, paint anything the way they turned out! Suppose to be that way! BS!!! If you look close in the sun at the paint, the matal flake is awesome on all the non-striped parts!!!! Why in the world would they highlight a saddle bag lid??!!!!!! The dark colors show the haziness more than the HAZE, I've seen it w/ my own two eyes!!!

I would NOT except any of the bikes that I've seen (if MoCo don't correct issue). I'd wait for an '07.

I'm not saying that all of the '06 CUSE's are bad. I'm happy to hear that a few guys have good ones. That's great!

[size=18]Some people just accept them because it's close enough!!!
That's why there's issues with warranty work and recalls!!!!!!!![/size]
Sorry, but I am FLAMMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GROVER

[pietro]

Hi all,

a couple of shots taken during the september Faaker See annual meeting in Austria.
maybe it can help

[Wrongway]

OK, We can get over the "It's supposed to be that way thing"! Just got in from meeting my dealer after his return from the MOCO mid-year, here is what I got. First, he was told by the guy at the booth for the company that painted these that on the last day of the show "I've been waiting for this to come up",your the first to ask" It's NOT the way it was supposed to be! The parts that are a solid color (IE inner fairing, rear fender, lids) have 3 coats of clear, the MULTI color pieces have 12 coats of clear. First the base color, clear, second color, clear, third color, clear, you get the idea. So we can get all the new tins all day long and they will all do the same thing. Reason, we've all heard this....so the paint is smooth! So fricking what if it's smooth, I want it to look right, one main color. Yes, the Emerald, and Haze ARE the same way, just not as noticable. All he could do is give me the customer service #! He wants the bike right, but it's now in the hands of the CS dummies! P.S. the rep from the paint shop is watching us here! Said so.   Wrongway [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif]

[Grover]

OK, We can get over the "It's supposed to be that way thing"! Just got in from meeting my dealer after his return from the MOCO mid-year, here is what I got. First, he was told by the guy at the booth for the company that painted these that on the last day of the show "I've been waiting for this to come up",your the first to ask" It's NOT the way it was supposed to be! The parts that are a solid color (IE inner fairing, rear fender, lids) have 3 coats of clear, the MULTI color pieces have 12 coats of clear. First the base color, clear, second color, clear, third color, clear, you get the idea. So we can get all the new tins all day long and they will all do the same thing. Reason, we've all heard this....so the paint is smooth! So fricking what if it's smooth, I want it to look right, one main color. Yes, the Emerald, and Haze ARE the same way, just not as noticable. All he could do is give me the customer service #! He wants the bike right, but it's now in the hands of the CS dummies! P.S. the rep from the paint shop is watching us here! Said so.   Wrongway [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif] [smiley=sauer007.gif]

Wrongway-

  Thank you! We all know "NOBODY" would produce a mix/match paint scheme like this!! But some people are just so delighted to have their bike delivered!!! That they forget what a CVO bike stands for!!! Custom Vehicle Operations!!!!! The main word is CUSTOM! I guess if you don't give a damn!! You could say that each bike has it's own CUSTOM paint, one of a kind cloudy, hazy, cool milky custom!!!!!!!!

We must bond together!!! Or else the MofoCo will put it on "picky Consumers"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

$32,000!!! I love the way my CUSE's paint don't match!! It's one of a kind!!!!
Unique!!!

I feel that the MoCo is so used to US kissing their ASS!!! That they just expect us to deal with it, because we're lucky to own one!

   This is why there is no recalls!!!!! Because there is too many people delighted just to have a new HD bike delivered!!! Bullchit, tell them to get it right!!!!

Another member here pointed out the paint issue of a sold bike on the floor at a dealership, the salesman just said that the owner probably wouldn't notice it.  

[parothed97]

Today Jan 20, 2006, I took one of my bags to a body shop that my dealer told me to take it to. He said point blank that it would do NO GOOD BUFFING it out.  He told me that it was two different colors END OF STORY.  BUFFING would not change anything, he told me to take it to a color match store where they match and mix paint to get an optical scan done.  What I found out is that the paint on the Lid is one color and the black on the base is another and here is the paint codes that he found on my bag and lid.

SADDLE BAG TOP LID COLOR

            805J            JET BLACK                  82.3
            1002S            RED PEARL                  82.4
            150K            B/C BALANCER            327.6
175K            BINDER                    427.0

SADDLE BAG BOTTOM   (BASE COAT for TRI COAT)

            855J            LIGHT RED                        24.9
            866J            RED VIOLET                        40.4
            806J            HS BLACK                        47.4
            819J            FINE BRIGHT ALUMINUM      50.8
            1002S            RED PEARL                        67.6
            1005S            GOLD PEARL                  71.9
            150K            B/C BALANCER                  276.0
            175K            BINDER                        440.2

SADDLE BAG BOTTOM   (MID COAT for TRI COAT)      

            864J            MAGENTA                  6.4
            855J            LIGHT RED                  12.8
            150K            B/C BALANCER            218.2
            175K            BINDER                  423.8

What the guy told me at the paint store is that the reason and the only reason that the bags look milky is the color of the mixture of the paint and NOT THE CLEAR COAT causing the problem.  He also stated that BUFFING would do NO GOOD…………      
Thanks
Mike Scott   (Bubba)

Hey Bubba, after speaking with you the other night on the phone, I went back to my dealer to take a real close look at my paint.  We pulled the right saddlebag off the bike and examined it in 3 different indoor types of light and then took it outside.  The only issue I had was some orange peel on the back of the bag which the dealer is going to buff out.  I took several pictures without noting any apparent hazing or milky color issue.  The same goes for the fairing.  As soon as I can find a paint shop with a color analyzer, I'll take a saddlebag to them for a scan and then post the results....