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Re: paint problems
« Reply #390 on: February 09, 2006, 09:34:50 PM »

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Re: paint problems
« Reply #391 on: February 09, 2006, 09:35:45 PM »

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Re: paint problems
« Reply #392 on: February 09, 2006, 09:54:02 PM »

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The first pic is of the bike on display at the Cycle World International Motorcycle Show in NYC in January.  You can definitely see a difference in the paint.  The rest are of my bike.  It's not perfect, a little hazy, but nothing in comparison to what some of you are dealing with.  

I'm going to the show in Chicago tomorrow and taking my camera.  I've seen a good one at my dealer (still there, I think, if anyone's interested) but haven't seen one in person that had the problems we discuss here, so I'm acutally hoping the one they have up there is a bad one so I can see what the deal is first hand.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #393 on: February 10, 2006, 12:21:10 AM »

pics of my Black Crimson
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #394 on: February 10, 2006, 01:03:12 AM »

They forget the black?
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #395 on: February 10, 2006, 07:59:37 AM »

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The first pic is of the bike on display at the Cycle World International Motorcycle Show in NYC in January.  You can definitely see a difference in the paint.  The rest are of my bike.  It's not perfect, a little hazy, but nothing in comparison to what some of you are dealing with.  
dosen't look as bad as some of the others but still unacceptable for a CVO. :-/
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #396 on: February 10, 2006, 09:46:36 AM »

You know, playing around with my camera, I can make mine look good too, it all depends where you stand and look at the bike, lighting also plays an important roll, I guess Ill only take mine out out at night.  >:(
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #397 on: February 10, 2006, 10:06:03 AM »

MNM,
Put a flashlight or better yet a spot light on the back of the bag with light on the lid and the lower.  That is the true test.  If that works and it looks good maybe my new parts will be fixed when and if they ever get here.  Once again nice ride [smiley=drink.gif]
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #398 on: February 10, 2006, 11:44:15 AM »

Regarding John Selensky, I have forwarded him my Pictures, I have written numerous emails also, he will not respond with anything in writing back to me, all I get is basicially a copy of my emails back from him, its a reply, but not one that answers any of my questions. Im sure he has been instructed by their legal dept. not to put anything in writing, which is too bad, for if he put in writing what he told me over the phone.....we'd all be hearing from MoFoMoCo with settlement offers right now. He openly admitted over the phone that the paint is wrong and a big issue for them, and they are working on a solution, but does not know where this will go. Thats surely does not sound like what my dealership and the rep they sent out to look at my scooter have been saying. I really would like my Bike correct BEFORE spring gets here.  :(
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #399 on: February 11, 2006, 08:09:13 AM »

I wanted to give you all an update on the paint issue.  I spoke with Rusty Dwyer at the Motor Company yesterday.  He has asked me to send him my saddle bag to use at a meeting next week. All effected parties (manufacturing, quaility control, painting contractor) are attending a meeting at Juneau Ave to come to a decision on what is the problem and what to do about the bad paint.  Rusty did admit there is a problem and the motor company was going to "make it right" for the owners of their flagship bike. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #400 on: February 11, 2006, 08:17:30 AM »

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The first pic is of the bike on display at the Cycle World International Motorcycle Show in NYC in January.  You can definitely see a difference in the paint.  The rest are of my bike.  It's not perfect, a little hazy, but nothing in comparison to what some of you are dealing with.  

I'm pretty sure they had the same bike in Chicago: http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1139517108/19#19


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Re: paint problems
« Reply #401 on: February 11, 2006, 09:16:53 AM »

I was told that they have or are close to identifying the problem. Some bikes are much worse then others and some are OK with no paint issues. The big question is why are some, we know who we are, very bad paint while others are not as bad or no issue at all [smiley=confused5.gif]. My understanding is that the MOCO is going to issue all new paint when ??? and are taking each bike case by case issue dealing with the worst bikes first. I am 100% sure that I will be satisfied and get the proper paint this bike is supposed to have. Inner fearing is the true black candy crimson color, not the lids or rear fender. I do beleive that everyone with the same paint as mine will also have a new paint jod when all is said and done. MOCO is following this site daily and did get the letter to the CEO from 06 blk crimson from his post.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #402 on: February 11, 2006, 09:31:08 AM »

Sounds like they are doing something thats a good sign (i think) talk is cheap.  Mine should arrive thursday can't wait to see it in the sun when they unpack it.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #403 on: February 11, 2006, 10:43:26 AM »

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Rusty did admit there is a problem and the motor company was going to "make it right" for the owners of their flagship bike. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Can only imagine for all you 06 riders that the problem with taking anyone's word at this point has been that everyone's word so far has been clouded by seeming and obfuscation and delay rendered (seemingly) solely for the purpose of obfuscating and delaying.  Granted, at the outset one must admit that HD itself might not have been aware of the problem or the degree of the problem.  At that time varying responses wouldn't be unexpected and would be tolerated.

They're not dumb though.  Just terribly parsimonious (at our expense) and more than a little arrogant.  So after a short period of initial onset they had to realize there were more than very isolated problems going on.  At that point the various silly on nonsensical responses like buffing or "it's supposed to be that way" or "we're not doing anything about it" should have ceased.  People NEVER seem to learn the lesson of the Nixon Administration; come clean.

Here's a question for you 06 riders (and the Moco in its hubris) to consider:

Assume the paint problems are as bad as they're often described here and as systemic as our discussions here seem to suggest.  Under which of the following scenarious would you both a more satisfied customer and a more likely return customer if you had to wait and waste months of your time?

1) Months of delay filled with varied answers that intelligent people recognize as being at best ineffective or at worst simply wrong and made up with the intent to delay or deter.

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2) Months waiting for resolution that is time predicated not on delay and obfuscation but some simple statement from the mftr like the following "Ladies and Gentlemen.  We made a mistake.  We are embarrassed by the quality of the appearance of the Harley Davidson Motorcycles you have had to accept.  We will not let this stand.  We do not know at this moment precisely what the resolution will be.  There will be a full and correcting resolution though.  Harley Davidson would accept nothing less and it would never ask its rider to accept less either.  Rest assured, this will be made right.  We ask for your patience and indulgence as we work diligently to re-earn the trust you have placed in us by purchasing a Harley Davidson motorcycle.


With the first answer they've got a whole stable of pissed off customers.  With the second they've got an advertising platform turning their mistake in to a positive, they've got customers who feel like they've been engaged positively and the tone of the response would resonate with the kind of folks that actually buy the bikes.  Actually, perhaps that's a real issue.  Corporate mind-sets and bean counters are now so distinct from the company's consumers they don't see us any different than a guy buying a refrigerator.
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Re: paint problems
« Reply #404 on: February 11, 2006, 11:16:45 AM »

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Regarding John Selensky, I have forwarded him my Pictures, I have written numerous emails also, he will not respond with anything in writing back to me, all I get is basicially a copy of my emails back from him, its a reply, but not one that answers any of my questions. Im sure he has been instructed by their legal dept. not to put anything in writing, which is too bad, for if he put in writing what he told me over the phone.....we'd all be hearing from MoFoMoCo with settlement offers right now. He openly admitted over the phone that the paint is wrong and a big issue for them, and they are working on a solution, but does not know where this will go. Thats surely does not sound like what my dealership and the rep they sent out to look at my scooter have been saying. I really would like my Bike correct BEFORE spring gets here.  :(
All of your frustration is understandable. I will note that in several of your posts you've mentioned the "attorney" word as well as "legal advice." If you've used that tact with anyone at the MoCo, I'll guarantee they'll never give you anything in writing. Threats of pending legal action immediately burn the bridges of communication in the corporate world. It also moves you to the bottom of someones to-do list.
The philosophy of most major manufacturers dealing with a customer satisfaction issue like this is to "under promise and over deliver." I'll guarantee you will get satisfaction from H-D and probably a little more. They don't necessarily work at the pace you'd like to see them work though. Believe it or not they've got a couple of other things they're working on too. Patience, professionalism and most important, KEEP YOUR DEALER INVOLVED.  Make any phone calls to the MoCo from the dealership with the Service Mgr on the line. Copy the dealer on any written correspondence. Harley's dealer organization is sacred to them and they'll protect it at all cost.
That's my take for what it's worth.
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