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Sean M Cary

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Anyone here have any experience...

Been trying to sell or rent the house since April, have an offer for a rent to own - and there are some issues with our listing agent etc that I would have to work out. 

Since I am closing on another house in VA where I am moving to for my next duty station we are getting, er "concerned" to put it mildly since we don't have a renter or buyer for the current house.

Wondering what any of you who might have done this think.

Sean
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 09:53:29 AM »

Sean,

I don't think there's a legal document out there that will truly protect your interests in the house.  I can see all kinds of chit happening, from them tearing the house up and then deciding they don't want a chitty house to just squatting for several years and forcing you to try to evict them, to etc, etc, etc.  If they want to buy it, they need to get the financing and buy it.  period.   Burn the sob down and have a fire party.
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 09:55:51 AM »

Basically with a rent to own your carrying the mortgage for the buyer (without actually getting a new mortgage).  Then after a predetermined amount of time they have to obtain their own mortgage to pay off yours (and any extra you've negotiated into the deal).  If it works out it's not bad, if things go bad on the backend, like the house not appraising at a high enough value, then it can go bad for you, depending on how you look at it I guess.  You can either extend their rental period and re-negotiate the deal or remove them and find a new buyer/renter.  Find a lawyer that is familiar with this type deal and be sure YOU are the one paying them, so they are working for YOU, not the buyer/renter.  I hate lawyers....except the ones I'm paying. ;)
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 10:05:07 AM »

I would think a "rent-to-own" tenant would take better care of the property.
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 04:03:26 PM »

I would think a "rent-to-own" tenant would take better care of the property.


In this day and age????  One spouse ticks off the other and the place is trashed.  Then they're outta there in the middle of the night!
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 04:09:10 PM »


In this day and age????  One spouse ticks off the other and the place is trashed.  Then they're outta there in the middle of the night!

That's been the history with my folk's rentals.  Rent to own is just another rental.  People still trash them and people still leave them.  Tenants might have some greater sense of responsibility or interest initially.  But it wears off quickly.
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2009, 06:21:03 PM »

That's sad that people don't respect another man's property.  I own 2 homes & do not rent either one so I have no first hand experience as a landlord.  As a tenant, I always left the property in better shape than when I moved in.
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2009, 06:56:32 PM »

My dad "sold" a house this way 3 times before the final "buyer" actually paid it off.  It is basically just a rental with a predetermined sales price that the "rent" is applied against.  You run an amortization schedule, and you pocket the interest portion every month, and apply the principal to the sales price.  Like others have said, sometimes if your "buyers" bail, you are left with a mess to repair.  Then you "sell" it again and start over.  My dad didn't mind the fix-up work, and made a lot of money on a very modest house.  Your contract with the buyer is very important and will spell out EVER detail - the most important one being that if they leave, they have NO equity to recover.  They simply walk away from any interest they have accrued in the property.

It works, but you have to understand the downside.

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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 07:53:10 PM »


My dad "sold" a house this way 3 times before the final "buyer" actually paid it off. 


Same here.  Mom has tried in the past to get rid of rentals this way.  Some were "sold" in this fashion three or four times.  In the end the couple that did sell were actually bought "normally" as this process always crashed and burned.
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 09:18:58 PM »

The neighbor 3 doors down from me was in the same situation. So she went with a rental option. Now we have the Clampetts for neighbors. Jeeps tore apart , car parts in piles, generally a slob that probably got kicked out from where they were living before. Thank god its only a year lease. I know you have to move, but try to vet your tenants as good as you could possibly can..........................Fuzz
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 09:23:06 PM »

just catching up...been packing

they fizzled out

still nothing and two mortgages heading at me fast  :nervous:

appreciate all the replies!

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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 12:31:12 PM »

Just found this thread.

Sean, 

A better option for you would be a lease to option.  This is where a tenant pays a nonrefundable fee for the "First Right" to purchase the property at a set price.  The purchase and sale agreement is the same with an addendum added that states the purchase and sale agreement must be exercised by -this date- or they lose their option.

The way it works is they pay an amount of money ($1000, $2,000 etc.) that you feel comfortable with - this is not a down payment - this is your money NOT refundable no matter if they purchase or not.  Then they pay you rent and a large portion or all goes towards there down payment - closing costs when/if they purchase. If they do not purchase you keep the rent and of course the fee they payed for the right of the option.

This does 2 things for you - they have a vested interest in your (their) property from day one with the fee they paid and it helps them save up for a down payment over the year or two they take to exercise the option.  If someone is serious they can find this fee, if they cannot then you have lost nothing.  It also allows you to get your asking price for the house - you do not need to discount the property so it is a win-win.

You may want to contact your lender - I know in Washington there is special circumstances for our military that allow them options with there mortagage - if nothing else maybe a reduced payment until this gets worked out - you deserve that at the least.


You may want to hire a property manager if you decide to rent - they will charge a fee but there is protection to your property and getting the rent payment - there is accountability for you if something goes wrong.

The last thing is your agent shoudl do ANYTHING in this market to put adeal together for you - she can get paid in a year or two when the house sells - anything can be worked out and if she is not receptive to this I would find another agent.


Good Luck :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 09:24:40 PM »

thanks, great info...

we have the house up for rent with a management company - and for whatever reason (they are credit turds?) it scares a bunch of folks away.

she went radio silent when we stated we needed to start the deal with them since we have a contract

hoping I got someone coming in...got my fingers crossed

Sean

Just found this thread.

Sean, 

A better option for you would be a lease to option.  This is where a tenant pays a nonrefundable fee for the "First Right" to purchase the property at a set price.  The purchase and sale agreement is the same with an addendum added that states the purchase and sale agreement must be exercised by -this date- or they lose their option.

The way it works is they pay an amount of money ($1000, $2,000 etc.) that you feel comfortable with - this is not a down payment - this is your money NOT refundable no matter if they purchase or not.  Then they pay you rent and a large portion or all goes towards there down payment - closing costs when/if they purchase. If they do not purchase you keep the rent and of course the fee they payed for the right of the option.

This does 2 things for you - they have a vested interest in your (their) property from day one with the fee they paid and it helps them save up for a down payment over the year or two they take to exercise the option.  If someone is serious they can find this fee, if they cannot then you have lost nothing.  It also allows you to get your asking price for the house - you do not need to discount the property so it is a win-win.

You may want to contact your lender - I know in Washington there is special circumstances for our military that allow them options with there mortagage - if nothing else maybe a reduced payment until this gets worked out - you deserve that at the least.


You may want to hire a property manager if you decide to rent - they will charge a fee but there is protection to your property and getting the rent payment - there is accountability for you if something goes wrong.

The last thing is your agent shoudl do ANYTHING in this market to put adeal together for you - she can get paid in a year or two when the house sells - anything can be worked out and if she is not receptive to this I would find another agent.


Good Luck :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2009, 10:29:50 PM »

Sean,

If you do find someone to buy via the rent-to-own route, please make it clear to any attorney involved that you need a "Land Contract" written.  I would actually consult with a mortgage broker on this from your area.  The broker should be able to tell you what elements are necessary for a valid contract in a lender's eyes.  Lenders are a funny bunch, and the wording of a Land Contract is slightly different and many lenders will not look at it by any other title.

Basically, the best way is as someone else said, to collect an upfront downpayment amount, so they have some immediate equity in the property, and a vested interest in completing the contract.  Then you establish a selling price, for which they can buy the property and complete the contract at any time prior to the expiration of the contract.  Based on that selling price, you develop an amortization table which tells how much of their monthly payment goes toward principal reduction.  At the time that they obtain a mortgage to complete the contract, their upfront downpayment and all monthly principal reductions added together will be looked at as a downpayment amount.  For example, if the set selling price was $100,000 and they gave you $3000 downpayment and their principal reductions totalled another $1000 over 2 years, they now have $4000 downpayment to show a lender.  In this case, if they needed 10% down by the lender's requirement, they would only need to come up with $6000 more downpayment to close on the home.  VERY IMPORTANT:  THEY MUST MAKE ALL PAYMENTS, INCLUDING THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENTS, BY CHECK.  The lender will request copies of the cancel checks for every payment they say they made.  No checks and they won't get their mortgage.  That has been the single biggest problem with this type of transaction that I have seen.  Too many people enter into these contracts without being educated in them, and they don't know to make payments by check.  They think that a receipt from you is okay, but you are obviously an interested party in this transaction.

Remember that you are setting a price that is good for them throughout the contract period.  If the house goes up in value during the contract period, they have locked in a good price and you can't change your price when that value goes up.  It's actually a great way for a renter to speculate and end up with a bargain down the road.  For example, you set a $100,000 price on the home that is good for the 5 year contract period.  In 4 years, the price of homes in the neighborhood has now gone up to $200,000 and they are still able to buy it from you for $100,000.  Now there's some incentive for someone to find a way to get a loan.  If they don't get a loan by the expiration of the contract, they are gone and you now have a $200,000 home to sell.  Remember also that you want the contract to state that NONE of their payments are refundable, neither upfront or monthly.  I would also include in the contract that they are responsible for all maintenance, and all taxes on the property.  Remember, the essence of this deal is that you are actually the one providing a mortgage to them, but have required a smaller downpayment, or in other words you have given them a short-term mortgage with a balloon payment due at the end, which must be replaced by a "real" mortgage by contract expiration.  If they do not find a mortgage, or a whole bunch of cash, they have defaulted on their mortgage with you and you will take the property back.

I have dealt with MANY of these and the fact is that most of them do not come to fruition, for a wide variety of reasons.  A large number of those are due to them still not being able to obtain their own financing by the expiration of the contract.  If they will allow you, I would get the renters/buyers to authorize you to talk to their mortgage broker, or meet with him/her along with the renters/buyers to find out why they can't get a mortgage.  Maybe they just haven't been at their new, great jobs long enough to qualify for the loan, or maybe they are just deadbeats that never pay any of their bills.  There are many reasons why someone can't get a mortage.  They may have one large, bad account that is holding their credit score down and they may qualify after settling up that account and getting their score back up over a short period.  If you get the opportunity to see their credit report, have the broker explain the entries to you.  That can tell you a tremendous amount about the probability that you will ever see a sale go through.  If you end up putting it back on the market, you have just been in an ordinary landlord situation, you've gotten rent payments to cover your payments on the home, and hopefully they didn't trash the place and hopefully the value has gone up and you can laugh at them for being stupid enough to let the place slip through their hands.

Sean, hopefully I summarized this well enough to understand, but if there are any questions on it, let me know.  I haven't covered every possible scenario, but I am very familiar with most of whatever could arise, as I have experience with lots and lots of these.

Dave
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Re: Way off Topic - but looking for help: Rent To Own question...
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 11:45:40 AM »

Man, that is awesome...

actually might have someone else lined up - starting as a renter for now

wish I could have just sold it, but the market here is DEAD, house has been on the market since mid-April and we had about 10 folks view it, there are 93 other 4/2.5's in the same area for sale, and we are dead in the middle for price

The builders here are offering 10% to the realtors and all closing costs so folks are flocking to those, they are killing us
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