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[Black Diamond]

Just Us Six and I were out riding for the day getting his scoot tuned and enjoying the day. On our way home, our dealer is 120 miles from our homes, we had traded bikes, did a little rippin around and had a great time. After we switched back to our own scoots, I was going along on US 150 @ +70 mph. I notice the bike suddenly slowing. No stutter, backfiring or any sign of anything amiss. I was in gear but she was not making power / ignition. All lights and electrical was still on.

I pulled in the clutch and hit the start button. She turned over but it was like I had no spark or gas or something.

Pull in the clutch, put her in N and try a restart while rolling, just cranks over. I pull to the side and stop.

I turn the ignition switch off, wait for the two chrips from the security system, turn on ignition and she fires right up.

We look at each other and ride on. I pull into a HD dealer nearby but they're closed on Monday. I call my guys. Roger walks me thru getting the 5 codes which he writes down. They are over 90 miles away. I'm around 30 from my home. It's 5 pm so I elect to nurse it home.

The motor does this again 3 more times. Each time it takes a little longer to reset. The last time the engine check light stays on for a long time while the bike resets. After everything clears and I get her restarted, the light come on again for about 15 sec then goes out.

So far this bike has had the turn signals refuse to self cancel which was a sensor.
The Speedo / Tach went out and came back in after several days - been replaced
The Security system refused to reset allowing the bike to be started with no FOB
The lights would stay on after turning off the ignition switch, heck you could still start the motor
The ECM has been replaced.

Stay tuned.

JW

[Black Diamond]

Starting to look into this problem(s) this morning. The following are the Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC) I received after the 1st shut down:

P0131 Front Oxygen Sensor Low
P0132 Front Oxygen Sensor High
P0151 Rear Oxygen Sensor Low
P0152 Rear Oxygen Sensor High
P0154 Rear Oxygen Sensor Inactive
P1357 Front Cylinder Combustion Intermittent
P1511 EFI Power Management Mode
P1514 Air Flow Fault
P2105 EFI Forced engine shutdown
P2135 TPS Correlation Error



I cleared the above codes and finished the ride home with three more failures. The DTC's for these repeated failures:

P0131 Front Oxygen Sensor Low
P0151 Rear Oxygen Sensor Low
P1357 Front Cylinder Combustion Intermittent
P1511 EFI Power Management Mode
P1514 Air Flow Fault
P2105 EFI Forced engine shutdown
P2135 TPS Correlation Error



DTC # that did not repeat

P0132 Front Oxygen Sensor High
P0152 Rear Oxygen Sensor High
P0154 Rear Oxygen Sensor Inactive

As I stated earlier, this is my 2nd ECM so there's still something amiss. Anyone with DTC knowledge got any ideas?  

JW

[sadunbar]

Lot of silence here, Jeff...

I think you have managed to stump the entire site....

Holy crap...  I wouldn't know where to start...

If not the ECM - the wiring harness to the ECM???

I have no idea.....

[grc]

If you throw out the O² sensor codes and the no combustion codes, which were most likely triggered by the self shutdown, I think you will find that the rest of the codes deal with the Electronic Throttle Control and Throttle Position Sensor.  P1511, P1514, P2135 are all ETC related codes, and P2105 is the programmed shutdown of the engine that is triggered by the ETC faults.

If memory serves, wasn't this TB recently modified?  That would be the first place to look, and the most likely place to start is the wiring for the TPS.

Jerry

[Black Diamond]

If you throw out the O² sensor codes and the no combustion codes, which were most likely triggered by the self shutdown, I think you will find that the rest of the codes deal with the Electronic Throttle Control and Throttle Position Sensor.  P1511, P1514, P2135 are all ETC related codes, and P2105 is the programmed shutdown of the engine that is triggered by the ETC faults.

If memory serves, wasn't this TB recently modified?  That would be the first place to look, and the most likely place to start is the wiring for the TPS.

Jerry

That's what I was talking with my guys about Jerry. I always like to look at the last thing changed. Strange I got over 400 miles on the new TB with no problems then this. I 'm thinking of slapping the 58mm back on to see if the problem goes bye bye.

JW

[Black Diamond]

Lot of silence here, Jeff...

I think you have managed to stump the entire site....

Holy crap...  I wouldn't know where to start...

If not the ECM - the wiring harness to the ECM???

I have no idea.....

When I called in today, I heard the tech say "Bike from hell" again. We all laughed a little as it's that or cry. I'm going to start by looking at the HD/HPI 54mm TB. However, this is the stock unit from this bike.  

JW

[FiveO CVO]

Black Diamond,
What do you use for fuel/ECM management?  TTS, SERT, Thundermax?  I don't see it listed in all your goodies.  Not to start a new thread either, but does someone out there have a listing of all the codes?  In particular, the FLHRSE4 or Touring models?  Thanks in advance, and I hope you get your scoot problems worked out.
Steve-O

[grc]

Black Diamond,
What do you use for fuel/ECM management?  TTS, SERT, Thundermax?  I don't see it listed in all your goodies.  Not to start a new thread either, but does someone out there have a listing of all the codes?  In particular, the FLHRSE4 or Touring models?  Thanks in advance, and I hope you get your scoot problems worked out.
Steve-O

Steve, he has the SEST.

I think the following is fairly accurate, at least through 2008:

 P0605 ECM FLASH Memory Error
 P0603 ECM EEPROM Memory Error
 P1003 System relay contacts open
 P1002 System Relay Coil High/Shorted
 P1001 System Relay Coil Open/Low
 P1004 System Relay Contacts Closed
 P1009 Incorrect Password
 P1010 Missing Password
 P06415 V+Vref 1 Out Of Range
 P06515 V+Vref 2 Out Of Range
 P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent
 P0107 Map Sensor Open/Low
 P0108 Map Sensor High
 P0374 CKP Sensor Synch Error
 P1600 EFI Module Processor Internal Error
 P1270 TGS Validation Error
 P2107 EFI Module Processor Internal Fault
 P2122 TGS1 Low/Open
 P2123 TGS1 High
 P2127 TGS2 Low/Open
 P2128 TGS2 High
 P2138 TGS Correlation Error (Twist grip sensor)
 P0120 TPS1 Range Error
 P0220 TPS2 Range Error
 P0122 TPS1 Low
 P0123 TPS2 High/Open
 P0222 TPS2 Low
 P0223 TPS2 High/Open
 P2135 TPS Correlation Error
 P2119 EFI Motor Throttle Body Range Performance
 P2100 EFI Motor Circuit Open
 P2101 EFI Motor Circuit Range Performance (Actuation Error)
 P2102 EFI Motor Circuit Low
 P2103 EFI Motor Circuit High
 P2176 EFI Closed Position Not Learned
 P1514 Air Flow Fault
 P2105 EFI Forced engine shutdown
 P1501 Jiffy Stand Sensor Low
 P1502 Jiffy Stand Sensor High
 P0572 Brake Switch Low
 P0117 ET Sensor Low
 P0118 ET Sensor High
 P0112I AT Voltage Low
 P0113I AT Voltage Open/High
 P1351 Front Ignition Coil Driver Open/Low
 P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Driver Open/Low
 P1352 Front Ignition Coil Driver High/Shorted
 P1355 Rear Ignition Coil Driver High/Shorted
 P1357 Front Cylinder Combustion Intermittent
 P1358 Rear Cylinder Combustion Intermittent
 P0261 Front Injector Open/Low
 P0263 Rear Injector Open/Low
 P0262 Front Injector High
 P0264 Rear Injector High
 P0562 Battery Voltage Low
 P0563 Battery Voltage High
 P0501 VSS Sensor Low
 P0502 VSS Sensor High/Open..
 P1356 Rear Cylinder No Combustion
 P1353 Front Cylnder No Combustion
 P0444 Purge Solenoid Open/Low
 P0445 Purge Solenoid High
 P1475 Exhaust Actuation Position Error
 P1477 Exhaust Actuator Open/Low
 P1478 Exhaust Actuator Shorted/High
 P0131 Front Oxygen Sensor Low
 P0151 Rear Oxygen Sensor Low
 P0132 Front Oxygen Sensor High
 P0152 Rear Oxygen Sensor High
 P0134 Front Oxygen Sensor Inactive
 P0154 Rear Oxygen Sensor Inactive
 P1510 EFI Limited Performance Mode
 P1511 EFI Power Management Mode
 P1512 EFI Forced Idle Mode
 P0577 Cruise Control Input High
 U1016 Loss of ECM Serial Data
 U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial Data to ECM
 U1064 Loss of TSM/FSFM Serial Data to ECM
 U1255 Serial Data Error
 U1300 Serial Data Low
 U1301 Serial Data High
 B1142 Smart Security System Internal Fault
 B1135 Accelerometer Failed
 B1136(HFSM) Accelerometer Tip Test Error
 B1151 Bank Angle Sensor(BAS) Short to Ground
 B1152 Bank Angle Sensor(BAS) Short to Battery
 B1153 Bank Angle Sensor(BAS) High
 B1154 Clutch Switch Input Short to Ground
 B1155 Neutral Switch Input Short to Battery
 B1134 Starter Output High
 B1121(TSM) Left Turn Output Fault
 B1121(HFSM) Left Turn Output Open
 B1122(TSM) Right Turn Output Fault
 B1122(HFSM) Right Turn Output Open
 B1123(HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Ground
 B1124(HFSM) Right Turn Output Short to Ground
 B1125(HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Battery
 B1126(HFSM) Right Turn Output Short to Battery
 B1143(HFSM) Security Antenna Short to Ground
 B1144(HFSM) Security Antenna Short to Battery
 B1145(HFSM) Security Antenna Open
 B0563 Battery Voltage High
 B1131(HFSM) Alarm Output Low
 B1132(HFSM) Alarm Output High
 B1141(TSM) Ignition Switch Low/Open..
 B1141(HFSM) Ignition Switch Low/Open

HFSM = Hands Free Security Module
TSM = Turn signal module


Jerry

[Black Diamond]

Black Diamond,
What do you use for fuel/ECM management?  TTS, SERT, Thundermax?  I don't see it listed in all your goodies.  Not to start a new thread either, but does someone out there have a listing of all the codes?  In particular, the FLHRSE4 or Touring models?  Thanks in advance, and I hope you get your scoot problems worked out.
Steve-O

Jerry's right, I'm using the SE Super Tuner (SEST).

[FiveO CVO]

Thanks GRC and Black Diamond I have all the manuals for my ride (FLHRSE4), are they listed somewhere, or is it collect them as you go?  Thanks again.  29 and a wake-up!!! to get the heck out of Iraq ... at least for another year or so anyway.   Can't wait to get back on the SERK!  Take easy you guys ... or take it anyway you can get it.

[FiveO CVO]

Black Diamond,
Almost forgot to mention, I hope you get the bugs worked out.  It sounds like cybil has a twin sister .  Let us know the diagnosis ...

[skreminegul07]

Thanks GRC and Black Diamond I have all the manuals for my ride (FLHRSE4), are they listed somewhere, or is it collect them as you go?  Thanks again.  29 and a wake-up!!! to get the heck out of Iraq ... at least for another year or so anyway.   Can't wait to get back on the SERK!  Take easy you guys ... or take it anyway you can get it.

the diagnostic codes are listed in the Electronic Diagnostic Manaual for your particular year, I believe for 2008 it is
99497-08
It has a troubleshooting flowchart for each code, as well as a schematic of that particular circuitry.  The 2008+ will be of particular value because of the introduction of throttle by wire and also how that relates to Cruise Control, etc.

[Black Diamond]

Black Diamond,
Almost forgot to mention, I hope you get the bugs worked out.  It sounds like cybil has a twin sister .  Let us know the diagnosis ...

OUCH! Hey fella, that hurt! 

[Black Diamond]

the diagnostic codes are listed in the Electronic Diagnostic Manaual for your particular year, I believe for 2008 it is
99497-08
It has a troubleshooting flowchart for each code, as well as a schematic of that particular circuitry.  The 2008+ will be of particular value because of the introduction of throttle by wire and also how that relates to Cruise Control, etc.

Yep!
The P1514 Air Flow Fault causes the ECM to toss the P2105 EFI Forced engine shutdown according to the book. the hip bones connected to thigh bone

The shop is looking at the MAP sensor to see if it is faulty. I've had an new TSST, Speedo/Tach, Fuel Gauge, and an ECM to name a couple off the top of my head. Maybe my bike was assembled after a big employee party.

JW

[grc]

Yep!
The P1514 Air Flow Fault causes the ECM to toss the P2105 EFI Forced engine shutdown according to the book. the hip bones connected to thigh bone

The shop is looking at the MAP sensor to see if it is faulty. I've had an new TSST, Speedo/Tach, Fuel Gauge, and an ECM to name a couple off the top of my head. Maybe my bike was assembled after a big employee party.

JW

I was wondering about that P1514 Air Flow Fault.  In the automotive arena, that DTC is set when the air flow calculated from the throttle position, barometric pressure, and rpm doesn't match the air flow reported by the Mass Air Flow sensor.  Since H-D doesn't have a MAF, I'm not sure what they are comparing the calculated flow to.   One thing that is involved besides the MAP sensor in that calculation is the TPS.  There is also another code in your earlier post that shows a TPS fault (P2135 TPS correlation error).  Hopefully they are closely examining the TPS and associated wiring, since a fault there could set both the P1514 and the P2135 codes.

This stuff can be a real pain to track down, because failures often set a ton of codes that act as red herrings.  Not the real problem, but they were triggered by the original (real) problem.  Good luck.

Jerry