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[Opossum]

Lurkin' around another site I find this:  http://hdforums.com/forum/screamin-eagle-cvo-models/432856-2010-flhtcuse5-frame-recall.html  It's probably nuthin but can't wait to get home tonight to check it out!  As if there ain't nothin else to worry about!!

[MKW]

Lurkin' around another site I find this:  http://hdforums.com/forum/screamin-eagle-cvo-models/432856-2010-flhtcuse5-frame-recall.html  It's probably nuthin but can't wait to get home tonight to check it out!  As if there ain't nothin else to worry about!!

I'll crap my drawers if my bike gets delayed for this!  Trying to always view my glass "half full" I guess a frame recall (if that what it is) is OK for that reason rather than the frame cracking-damn, I said it! 

[Diamondback]

 

[Chilly]

just had 1000 mile service done on my 10seuc with-out any problems. went out and looked at trans, drain plug is easily accessable

      chilly

[Diamondback]

 

Could be just a human mistake in the manufacturing process.

 

 

[grc]

It would be nice if folks wouldn't throw that "recall" word around carelessly, like the guy on hdforums did.  It appears he got a bike with a damaged crossmember, or even possibly a mispositioned one.  Manufacturer's don't do "recalls" for "onesies" that don't have safety implications.  I'd want to see this first hand before getting too excited, third party descriptions are rarely accurate.  The crossmembers on the old frame design got bent all the time (they were used to attach the bikes to fixtures on the assembly lines and also to the shipping crates), but because you didn't have to drain the oil through them like on the new frames it was seldom seen as an issue until you tried to install an accessory like a True-Track or center stand.

Jerry

[Trey767]

It would be nice if folks wouldn't throw that "recall" word around carelessly, like the guy on hdforums did.  It appears he got a bike with a damaged crossmember, or even possibly a mispositioned one.  Manufacturer's don't do "recalls" for "onesies" that don't have safety implications.  I'd want to see this first hand before getting too excited, third party descriptions are rarely accurate.  The crossmembers on the old frame design got bent all the time (they were used to attach the bikes to fixtures on the assembly lines and also to the shipping crates), but because you didn't have to drain the oil through them like on the new frames it was seldom seen as an issue until you tried to install an accessory like a True-Track or center stand.

Jerry

Yeah that (recall) word was like fire to me, I thought the 09 and 10 are the same frame?

[Opossum]

It would be nice if folks wouldn't throw that "recall" word around carelessly, like the guy on hdforums did.  It appears he got a bike with a damaged crossmember, or even possibly a mispositioned one.  Manufacturer's don't do "recalls" for "onesies" that don't have safety implications.  I'd want to see this first hand before getting too excited, third party descriptions are rarely accurate.  The crossmembers on the old frame design got bent all the time (they were used to attach the bikes to fixtures on the assembly lines and also to the shipping crates), but because you didn't have to drain the oil through them like on the new frames it was seldom seen as an issue until you tried to install an accessory like a True-Track or center stand.

Jerry

Jerry you are absolutely correct!  Thanks for a little voice of reason here.  The dude is gonna send me pics today, and I suspect your assessment is correct.

[Opossum]

Here is a pic that the fellow sent me.  He said " If you look at the oblong opening at the bottom right corner of the cross member-that opening is supposed to be towards the rear about 2 more inches. The drain plug is right above the indented area where I rubbed the dirt off.  If you look under your bike, you should be able to clearly see the drain plug thru the opening."  Remember this is on 2010 SEUC.

[The_Ghost]

Yep, I'm that "guy".

There was no damage to the frame or cross member--just welded in the wrong place. The bike was checked by the dealership service techs, they called the factory, and the factory recalled my entire frame (dealer has to return it to the factory). H-D does not want to cut another hole or fix the cross member. So, to me, that's a recall. Didn't intend to scare the crap out of anyone.

[MKW]

Yep, I'm that "guy".

There was no damage to the frame or cross member--just welded in the wrong place. The bike was checked by the dealership service techs, they called the factory, and the factory recalled my entire frame (dealer has to return it to the factory). H-D does not want to cut another hole or fix the cross member. So, to me, that's a recall. Didn't intend to scare the crap out of anyone.

The questions and begs to be answered...............how does one frame have this problem and not others?  Are these frames not mass produced by machines? 

[The_Ghost]

From what I've been told, H-D sales guys think the CVO frames are welded by hand, or at least some parts of it. I don't really know. What I do know, is that *mine* is screwed up. I will ask the H-D folks when they call me this week.

[Twolanerider]

Yep, I'm that "guy".

There was no damage to the frame or cross member--just welded in the wrong place. The bike was checked by the dealership service techs, they called the factory, and the factory recalled my entire frame (dealer has to return it to the factory). H-D does not want to cut another hole or fix the cross member. So, to me, that's a recall. Didn't intend to scare the crap out of anyone.

It would be a good bet that a number of 2010 owners have taken or will take a quick look under their bikes.  But a one-off assembly error or failure is just that; a single failure.  Recalls, either voluntary or mandatory, will involve anywhere from a significant percentage of production to an entire fleet.

The frame is going back to the factory as part of the repair not because of the unique nature of the problem.  It's going back for the same reason that any frame replaced after damage (or any other reason) would have to be turned back.  It's got the VIN in it.  Manufacturer isn't going to (and isn't supposed to) supply frames in to the field with duplicate VIN numbers.

Sorry to read of the problem you're experiencing.  The down time will of course royally suck.  One would also keep one's fingers crossed that the local shop takes the bike completely apart and then completely reassembles it without causing any more problems in the process. 

Have to admit if I'd been doing a tranny service at home and found an otherwise perfectly good frame with a fully functional but slightly off place crossmember I'd have said a few foul oaths.  Then I'd very likely have grabbed the right angle drill and a hole saw to put a hole in the right place rather than letting a dealership tech gut my bike to its core.

[Opossum]

From what I've been told, H-D sales guys think the CVO frames are welded by hand, or at least some parts of it. I don't really know. What I do know, is that *mine* is screwed up. I will ask the H-D folks when they call me this week.

I went to the mini warehouse (bike storage place) didn't have tools with me, checked my "hole" and it appears that there's about 1/4 inch shy of a socket mating with the drain plug.  Can't go back till Monday with sockets, but at worst a little grind here or there should make it accessible.

[grc]

If I remember correctly, there were some folks on the site complaining about having problems draining the trans when the new frames first came out;  fluid drained on top of the crossmember and made a huge mess.  So maybe this location thing isn't just a fluke.

It's hard to understand how they could weld the part off location, unless someone out in the plant has found a way to bypass the part locators in the fixtures.  Those round and oblong holes in the crossmember should fit over locator pins if H-D follows normal tooling and part conventions, and there should be locators for the frame rails as well.  I don't think anyone would really want one of these things if everything was just located and welded by hand.  That kind of crap might be OK for Orange County Choppers, but not for a bike meant to actually be ridden.  According to H-D, btw, "the majority of the welds are done robotically" on the new frames.

Jerry