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[grandpadoc]

only reason I bought my 09 was the fact of the upgrade to the tensoiner. For I went through 3 sets in 78,000 miles on my fltrsei2.. My evo before that had over 100,000 on her. all I ever did was base gaskets, and tappets... Can someone explain to me , having a bullit proof evo motor, why the change to twincam?. I dont get it ,,so much more maintience, noisey as hell compaired to a evo..I hate the new compensator. and i'd take a cabled carb any day over this eletric throttle and injection... Maybe I'm just a old dog... This willbe my last twin cam if I dont sell it.. I will shop for that last year evo bagger . No need for extended warranty with a evo!! My 2 cent..Ride-on,Haedpan

Another Old Dog agrees with you.   I've had three evo's and and put close to or more than 100K each of them and only had trouble with the 84, but after I converted it back to points ignition it ran fine for 100K plus.   Doc

[Twolanerider]

This willbe my last twin cam if I dont sell it.. I will shop for that last year evo bagger

Could go a little newer and get something that had good reliability and durability.  If I were looking to narrow the Twin Cam option down as far as I could guess it'd be a 2002 model.

Marelli with its quirks gone after 01 but still a Timken type bearing on the crank in 02.  Though I'd still change it to gear drive.

[Fullsac Performance]

Something to consider. The new chain tensioners are hydraulic. A stiffer oil bypass spring that raises oil pressure also increases pressure on the tensioners.

Steve George

[hdbrad03]

Something to consider. The new chain tensioners are hydraulic. A stiffer oil bypass spring that raises oil pressure also increases pressure on the tensioners.

Steve George

Bingo! I am running increased oil pressure spring. Bike runs around 45-47 lbs at 2500 RPM. The outside shoe did not show the same wear. The chain did not seem to have any issues. The cams were changed to Andrews 32H at 200 miles.

 
     Brad

[Herko]

Brad something got in there and was moving around. That wear you call it is a gouge. Have you cut the oil filter open? It maybe a defective tennionser but I would look around to be sure.

Agreed. Looks as if a piece of debris rode along on the chain for a few laps, dug the single trench gouge, then worked free and went where ever.

Something to consider. The new chain tensioners are hydraulic. A stiffer oil bypass spring that raises oil pressure also increases pressure on the tensioners.

Good point. Another reason when a guy asks me if he should run the stiffer bypass spring or shim with the updated late model pump, I always suggest no. Also, there is a tiny check/relief valve in the tensioner piston. Very small orifice. Continuous excessive pressure would be a detriment on proper pad to chain tension IMO.

I have taken many of the hydro camplates out with more, way more miles than yours. And have not seen this before, lite chain marks is all I ever see.  Cannot understand yours. Did an 06 dyna with 60,000 miles on it with hardly any wear.  Doc

Same here. Have not been in the camchest on one with 60, but have with 50, and same finding. Merely witness marks only on the pads. Pad material discoloration (darkening) is normal.

[Fullsac Performance]

Good point. Another reason when a guy asks me if he should run the stiffer bypass spring or shim with the updated late model pump, I always suggest no. Also, there is a tiny check/relief valve in the tensioner piston. Very small orifice. Continuous excessive pressure would be a detriment on proper pad to chain tension IMO.

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I recommend against the heavy springs too. "Excessive oil pressure robs power and raises oil temps".
Smokey Yunick, Engine building 101.

SG

[Talon]

Does not look like it was caused by stray material, it lines up perfrct with the chain. The plastic is chipping out just like the older style. Also notice the color change looks like they are absorbing color from the when it becomes dirty with age.

 
      Brad

How's the oil pump look? Those pieces of plastic can do a job on the pump.

Also what Steve said, with the new oil pump I didn't think you needed the stiffer spring, those pumps are suppose to put out adequate pressure by themselves.

Craig

[SBB]

When I had the Woods TW7H cams installed in my 09 I asked Jim (hd-dude) if I needed the stiffer spring.
He said it wasn't needed.
So (for me) if you have someone you trust and ask them for advice, I think you should heed their instructions.
I did.

SBB

[hdbrad03]

When I had the Woods TW7H cams installed in my 09 I asked Jim (hd-dude) if I needed the stiffer spring.
He said it wasn't needed.
So (for me) if you have someone you trust and ask them for advice, I think you should heed their instructions.
I did.

SBB

OK I get it, next time in I will remove the Spring.

 
      Brad

[porthole]

OK I get it, next time in I will remove the Spring.

I already ordered the "stock" spring for the screamin eagle plate #26210-99

[hdbrad03]

How's the oil pump look? Those pieces of plastic can do a job on the pump.

Also what Steve said, with the new oil pump I didn't think you needed the stiffer spring, those pumps are suppose to put out adequate pressure by themselves.

Craig

The oil pump looked as good as new.

 
      Brad

[jug-head]

Looks like there was a burr on one side of the timing chain. The quality control in China leaves much to be desired. I  think the later model tensioner system is better. But we will still have to polish our own chains. They don't change the tooling on their punch presses till it's way out of limits and making chains with teeth like a chain saw. At least the plastic shoe wasn't as burned and smaller pieces were torn out of it, compared to the original twin cam system.

[SBB]

The quality control in China leaves much to be desired.

Is that China South Carolina or China Nevada.
I for one would like to see some proof that this stuff was made in China.
Or are people just looking for someone to blame for poor quality control in the US.
Ultimately if Harley is buying or allowing crap then the blame lies with Harley, not the country producing it.
IMHO.

SBB

[djkak]

Is that China South Carolina or China Nevada.
I for one would like to see some proof that this stuff was made in China.
Or are people just looking for someone to blame for poor quality control in the US.
Ultimately if Harley is buying or allowing crap then the blame lies with Harley, not the country producing it.
IMHO.

SBB

I believe that labeling the country of origin is federally regulated. The CoO for most products is printed on the package; no mystery there.

[SBB]

I believe that labeling the country of origin is federally regulated. The CoO for most products is printed on the package; no mystery there.

So, , , , to keep this simple I should be able to go to the Harley shop and see what it says on the replacement cam chain box.
I'll give it a whirl Tuesday.
But while I have you, the specs of construction are per Harley correct!