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Re: Fram Oil Filter
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2010, 01:26:54 PM »

I would tend to agree!

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   I even read somehere that the rough edges of the chain, caused a lot to fail.
I have friends that had failures on 02's thru 05's anywhere between 25/32k.
I'm still waiting for the noise t start on mine, then I'm going to upgrade to the
new system. Of coarse, I heard that's not bullet proof either!
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Re: Fram Oil Filter
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2010, 02:29:29 PM »


There were many documented cases of rough/sharp edges on chains causing rapid wear, and the material used for the actual shoes was obviously cheapened somewhere along the line.  If the chains weren't an issue, I don't think H-D would have changed to a proper roller chain in '07.  That's not to say the chains were the only issue, however.

I don't buy the BS about H-D knowing the "SYN3 eats up plastic faster than the regular oil".  Now there is a really intelligent and highly technical statement I would really want to take to the bank.  Let me think, as a manufacturer who warrants their engines (even if it is a "catch us if you can" warranty), I'm going to sell and promote a lubricant that accelerates wear of a critical component that can pretty much trash the entire engine if it suffers catastrophic failure. :confused5:  H-D does lots of dumb things, but I'm not buying that one.  Sounds like whoever told this to the other guy who then told someone else, is one of those folks who just loves to start BS about synthetic oil.  And maybe H-D should consult with the auto manufacturer's and other bike manufacturer's who have been using "plastic" tensioner shoes for decades without abnormal wear or failures.  Funny how other manufacturer's can do this stuff and make their parts last the life of the engine, but H-D can't make their crap last 2 years or 20k miles.  Even funnier how the others can do it while using synthetic motor oil as factory fill.

BTW, I just had another thought.  You know that "plastic" tensioner shoe in the primary?  Folks better start checking those right away, since Harley recommends SYN3 there also.  I'll bet those suckers are being "eaten up" as we speak.


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Re: Fram Oil Filter
« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2010, 05:18:30 PM »

I heard from my pool boy's cousin that a new Syn 4 is coming out with a plastic additive!  It will actually ADD material to your cam shoes.  There's going to be a tech bulletin put out that new service requirements will require us to go in and sand those puppies down every 25k miles, otherwise they'll tighten the chains up too much and lock yer motor right up!
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Re: Fram Oil Filter
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2010, 06:49:38 PM »

I sure don't want to add any more chit to the fire, but 5 years ago
I attended a "Benchmarking" seminar and 2 of those attending were
HD engineers. During one of the breaks, I asked them "it sure must be fun
working for the MoCo", they looked at me like "are you freaking nuts".
 Both were in their early to mid thirties, and after talking for a while,
they wanted to know why we all buy those "POS", (at which time I almost
chit in my pants)? They said SOME of the engineers want to move the
bike, engine into the 21 century, but management doesn't want to.
The answer they got was "why change a good thing"?
That led me to believe "money" is more important then progress.
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Re: Fram Oil Filter
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2010, 07:04:46 PM »

I sure don't want to add any more chit to the fire, but 5 years ago
I attended a "Benchmarking" seminar and 2 of those attending were
HD engineers. During one of the breaks, I asked them "it sure must be fun
working for the MoCo", they looked at me like "are you freaking nuts".
 Both were in their early to mid thirties, and after talking for a while,
they wanted to know why we all buy those "POS", (at which time I almost
chit in my pants)? They said SOME of the engineers want to move the
bike, engine into the 21 century, but management doesn't want to.
The answer they got was "why change a good thing"?
That led me to believe "money" is more important then progress.



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I have never figured out why when someone says,

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I sure don't want to add any more chit to the fire,

Then they do.



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Re: Fram Oil Filter
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2010, 07:28:41 PM »



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I have never figured out why when someone says,

Then they do.



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Sorry, let me take out that DUMB statement!
Sorry Chip!

I sure won't do that again! 
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