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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2010, 11:31:06 AM »

I've got the x pipe, 2" baffles, and tuner in a box in my garage... stoked to get it installed!

Set aside 1 full day or 2 half days and get busy.  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2010, 12:31:39 PM »

Rick, I have not yet installed the baffle cores in the stock CVO mufflers. That is the one thing I have not done yet. I am using HD Screaming Eagle mufflers that I had on hand from 2007. They are working extremely well and sound surprisingly good. I will however be installing the Fullsac cores in the stock mufflers shortly and replacing the SE mufflers that are on my bike right now. I will probably try them without any packing first. If it's too loud then I will make a change.

As a side note, I don't really expect much, if any performance difference between the SE mufflers and the Fullsac cores. Both are high flow design. It may take a dyno to show a difference. But if I gain another few horse or a foot pound or two of torque well then so be it.
I'll probably setup the Fullsac x-pipe with the stock 2010 CVO SG baffles before grinding out welds and drilling holes.  If the stock baffles and x-pipe don't produce a decent rumble, then I'll install Fullac's 2" baffles.

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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2010, 06:06:07 PM »

Completed the 2" core install. Here is my opinion.

The install is not that bad. Just give yourself a few hours and don't rush it.

I tried them first without any damping material. I found them to be way too loud for the sound I"m going for.

Next, I installed the baffle material from the stock pipes. This improved the sound greatly in my opinion. The tone got deeper and sounded more controlled. However, it is still slightly too loud for the sound I want.

No doubt many find the sound to be exactly what their looking for but exhaust tone and loudness has got to be one of the most individual preference issues there is.

So, I will be looking for something just slightly more quiet than these.
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2010, 06:13:42 PM »

Headers installed as well as screaming eagle ventilator. Headers fit perfect.
Tomorrow 10/26/10 will install the cores and flash the ECM to finish it up.

I must say, taking off that heavy bloated cat header had a certain feeling of relief and I haven't even ran the engine yet.

Jessie:

I'm curious what replaces the squashed pipe that goes under the frame to the left side of the bike when you install the "X" pipe?

I am procrasinating about doing this mod with mine.

Also did you use new header pipe gaskets? Which one?

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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2010, 06:23:08 PM »

Jessie:

I'm curious what replaces the squashed pipe that goes under the frame to the left side of the bike when you install the "X" pipe?

I am procrasinating about doing this mod with mine.

Also did you use new header pipe gaskets? Which one?

Regards
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Nothing replaces the flat crossover connector that runs underneath. You simply use it again. However, inside of it where it connects to the X-pipe is a gasket that I chose to replace.

Yes, I did replace the head pipe gaskets and purchased the expensive stock gaskets. The dealer may recommend there thinner gaskets for aftermarket headers but I used the thick stock gaskets. They're excellent quality and work perfect.
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2010, 07:37:04 PM »

Jessie,

You've done all the work, so how about the 1.75" baffles from Fullsac...supposedly a little quieter that the 2" baffle...talk to Steve at Fullsac and he may be willing to take your 2" baffles back?? Worth a phone call.
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2010, 10:46:13 PM »

Jessie,

You've done all the work, so how about the 1.75" baffles from Fullsac...supposedly a little quieter that the 2" baffle...talk to Steve at Fullsac and he may be willing to take your 2" baffles back?? Worth a phone call.

That is exactly what I did. Steve is very supportive of his customers and product. He is sending me a set of 1.75 to try out. You gotta love it when a manufacturer really tries to see things from the customer stand point.
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2010, 12:03:52 AM »

Completed the 2" core install. Here is my opinion.

The install is not that bad. Just give yourself a few hours and don't rush it.

I tried them first without any damping material. I found them to be way too loud for the sound I"m going for.

Next, I installed the baffle material from the stock pipes. This improved the sound greatly in my opinion. The tone got deeper and sounded more controlled. However, it is still slightly too loud for the sound I want.

No doubt many find the sound to be exactly what their looking for but exhaust tone and loudness has got to be one of the most individual preference issues there is.

So, I will be looking for something just slightly more quiet than these.

Thanks for the feedback... I will tell the shop doing my bike to use the stock dampening material.

Will being a rookie HD guy I am interested to hear how they sound... hope it isn't too loud!  Will definitely post my feedback and put the word out to anyone semi-local who wants to hear them in person so they can make the call for themselves.

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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2010, 09:31:26 AM »

That is exactly what I did. Steve is very supportive of his customers and product. He is sending me a set of 1.75 to try out. You gotta love it when a manufacturer really tries to see things from the customer stand point.

Like the title says..."It's all about Fullsac"!! :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2010, 12:22:10 PM »

Completed the 2" core install. Here is my opinion.

The install is not that bad. Just give yourself a few hours and don't rush it.

I tried them first without any damping material. I found them to be way too loud for the sound I"m going for.

Next, I installed the baffle material from the stock pipes. This improved the sound greatly in my opinion. The tone got deeper and sounded more controlled. However, it is still slightly too loud for the sound I want.

No doubt many find the sound to be exactly what their looking for but exhaust tone and loudness has got to be one of the most individual preference issues there is.

So, I will be looking for something just slightly more quiet than these.
It will be interesting to hear about your solution to volume and tone.  A friend of mine has a 2006 RG with Fullsac's 1.75" baffles and prefers those, after trying the 2" cores.  The sound aspect is subjective, however.  I want to be able to hear the music when I'm riding on a highway or around town. 

I noticed that you're in Rocky Point, NC.  My hometown is Elizabeth City, NC.

Cheers, Rick   
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2010, 12:44:03 PM »

It will be interesting to hear about your solution to volume and tone.  A friend of mine has a 2006 RG with Fullsac's 1.75" baffles and prefers those, after trying the 2" cores.  The sound aspect is subjective, however.  I want to be able to hear the music when I'm riding on a highway or around town. 

I noticed that you're in Rocky Point, NC.  My hometown is Elizabeth City, NC.

Cheers, Rick   

Rick, I'm going to find some quality packing material and pack the 1.75's to quite them down as much as possible. It will be a few days I'm sure before Steve gets them to me but stay tuned because I think this is a vital part of the total Fullsac kit that needs plenty of discussion.

Depending on the results, I will either stay with the cores or look at something like the Bub Stealth. Either way, I'm still thoroughly enjoying and perfectly satisfied with the performance gains of this kit - with or without the cores.
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2010, 12:50:34 PM »

That is exactly what I did. Steve is very supportive of his customers and product. He is sending me a set of 1.75 to try out. You gotta love it when a manufacturer really tries to see things from the customer stand point.

Steve is a great guy and knows what customer service is all about.  The 1.75" baffles are too loud for me-hopefully for you they are just right.

I am using the stock mufflers and they do get louder with miles.  They will never have any throaty ness at idle, but are loud enough otherwise.

Even with Steve's TTS map and decatted headpipe, I believe by the seat of the pance, between idle and 4,000 rpm's, the stock mufflers are just as good power wise. (what I use)
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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2010, 01:00:20 PM »

Rick, I'm going to find some quality packing material and pack the 1.75's to quite them down as much as possible. It will be a few days I'm sure before Steve gets them to me but stay tuned because I think this is a vital part of the total Fullsac kit that needs plenty of discussion.

Depending on the results, I will either stay with the cores or look at something like the Bub Stealth. Either way, I'm still thoroughly enjoying and perfectly satisfied with the performance gains of this kit - with or without the cores.
Well see how the stocks baffles work after I get the x-pipe and install it.  Also, I've decided to dyno my bike after putting some more miles on it.  DOC 1 has some good info about a dyno tune, and CVORick seems pretty happy with his dyno.  In any event, it's personal preference. 

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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2010, 04:07:46 PM »

CVO,

Nothing replaces the flat crossover connector that runs underneath. You simply use it again. However, inside of it where it connects to the X-pipe is a gasket that I chose to replace.

Yes, I did replace the head pipe gaskets and purchased the expensive stock gaskets. The dealer may recommend there thinner gaskets for aftermarket headers but I used the thick stock gaskets. They're excellent quality and work perfect.


That pipe under the frame would seem to be a real "Choke point" in the whole performance project...at least for me.  I wonder if Steve will/would make a replacement pipe. 

Thanks for your insght!!

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Re: It's all about Fullsac
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2010, 05:30:39 PM »

I've thought about that as well but there might be a good reason for it. Is it possible that the design of that apparent choke point might be factored in on the total performance of the exhaust?

In other words, by allowing more exhaust to pass under to the left side muffler, could that perhaps actually reduce the performance of the crossover header design?

That would probably take some dyno testing to prove or disprove I'm sure.
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