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[Twolanerider]

You could do that, but in the end you may find the final impact only hurts yourself.

How deep is that thought???

Screw it.  Install an O2 sensor in it and run its ass over.  Momentary exhilaration over long term contentment (that should be on a bumper sticker).

[grandpadoc]

We have a SeaDoo Wake Special and really like it. It will pull a skier or wakeboarder with no problem. The racks that come with it are handy for the boards and the pop-up pole for the rope with grips for the observer is another nice touch.
The newer Doos have almost 300 hp, brakes, and a suspension.  We saw one in a race last summer and it ran away from everything.  Doc

                                                             http://www.sea-doo.com/en-US/watercraft/sport/wake/features.htm

[Eqcons]

Beautiful Lake.  I would get bored just riding PWC there for 1-hour, unless there were Scottish sunbathing beauties wanting more excitement than a towel!  Lots of small lakes here are counterclockwise direction and 35-mph max.  Too boring.  Be like riding the Road Glide around the Mall all day.

Zackly!  So why do these brainfree a$$halves* do it?  None of them live here, so why not load their PWC onto the back of their trailer and take it to the seaside?   If they were quiet I wouldn't care, but the damn noise for ten hours a day..... and when they get bored, they start to try to run down the ducks/swans/gulls, come way too close to the shore (supposed to keep 50m out), upset the fishermen, who, unlike them, have paid to have their fun on the water, cause chaos with the sailing boats, and so on.  Half of them are 12 to 15 year old kids, and since it's completely unregulated, I wonder how long before somebody is seriously hurt, or worse....

But these things in general..... I've rented one on the beach a couple of times, while on vacation, and it's OK fun for a while - maybe an hour. But is it enough fun for me to want to do it for longer? Nah, there's more to life than that.   Is it enough fun for me to spend money buying one? Not if I was a trillionaire!  I just don't get it.  

*an a$$hole is a useful thing - it keeps the krap where it should be; these morons can't do that, so they must be a$$halves....

[FR8TRN]

 I just don't get it.  

That says it all right there.  What good would your motorcycle be to you if you didn't realize it's abilities.  Riding a PWC at the beach or on a small lake is like ridng your bike around the block, some people might do that and be happy with it, more power to em, others think they need to get out and see other things besides their own neighborhood.  I put 800hrs + on the one we had (pic'd earlier in this thread) with my son(s).  The younger one, in the pic, me and him went all over the Chesapeake Bay exploring the small inlets, up the Potomac River to DC.  Sometimes leaving on it before dark on a Friday and camping at areas along the shoreline coming back late Sunday.  These things can go alot of places a regular boat can't and can be alot more fun doing it.  Great times I will never forget, and he won't either.  I just don't get how someone can worry so much about what other people do, if that is what they want to do on them, thats up to them.  If it bothers you, move, the lake was there probably long before you were, and peoples rights to use it have also.  Too many people think things should be restricted simply because they don't like them, what if people in your neighborhood decided they didn't want motorcycles in the area anymore.  Probably wouldn't bother you since your so concerned about others..........right......

[Eqcons]

That says it all right there.  What good would your motorcycle be to you if you didn't realize it's abilities.  Riding a PWC at the beach or on a small lake is like ridng your bike around the block, some people might do that and be happy with it, more power to em, others think they need to get out and see other things besides their own neighborhood.  I put 800hrs + on the one we had (pic'd earlier in this thread) with my son(s).  The younger one, in the pic, me and him went all over the Chesapeake Bay exploring the small inlets, up the Potomac River to DC.  Sometimes leaving on it before dark on a Friday and camping at areas along the shoreline coming back late Sunday.  These things can go alot of places a regular boat can't and can be alot more fun doing it.  Great times I will never forget, and he won't either.  I just don't get how someone can worry so much about what other people do, if that is what they want to do on them, thats up to them.  If it bothers you, move, the lake was there probably long before you were, and peoples rights to use it have also.  Too many people think things should be restricted simply because they don't like them, what if people in your neighborhood decided they didn't want motorcycles in the area anymore.  Probably wouldn't bother you since your so concerned about others..........right......

What you describe, I WOULD enjoy, and that's a point I get. But 99% of the folks don't do that with them, and they certainly don't do it here. The lake is about 5 miles long, and a half mile wide. there are no interesting places, no inlets, and in fact they don't even go more than a couple of hundred yards up or down from their damn trailer park, just round and round in meaningless circles.

Move? WTF should I? We were here, the house was here, the lake was here LONG before these things were invented, and I own my little bit of land - I paid to be here, so we have the right to be here; these people are not residents, and pay nothing - they just end up here doing their little circles because they've been thrown off other lakes.

Obviously you see it differently - but I take care so that my hobbies don't consistently annoy other people. Sure, I have noisy pipes on my bike, but that's transient - I pass by, and I ride as quietly as possible in populated areas.  My first comparison stands - how would these idiots like it if I rode my bike round in circles outside their house all day?  Should I do that, and do what you suggest that I should do - tell them if they don't like it, they should move?  I don't think so - I was not brought up to have such selfish arrogance.

Answer is I wouldn't annoy others by riding my bike noisily round and round their house all day, out of consideration for them.  So you're suggesting that there's a different ethical code for these PWC riders? They can annoy the sh*t out of others, and if the others don't like it, they should give up the home they worked all their lives to buy and move elsewhere?  Uh-huh, very responsible attitude that one!  

These things have their place to be enjoyed by enthusiasts, just like anything else - but that is NOT places like here, or any other similar location.

Jim

[miker]

What, they cant find any ocean??

[FR8TRN]

Well peoples rights to do things they enjoy are being taken away every day.  So start with their right to ride these things in circles, you'll find your right to ride ever so briefly and quietly removed also, somewhere down the line, maybe not because of you, but because of others.  As for move, if you don't like the channel, don't watch it, same concept.

Alot of the lakes around here don't allow any internal combustion engines, electric trolling motors, oars or a sail is it.  But they do it for ecological reasons, not annoyance.  Others allow only certain eco-friendly PWC's or outboard engines, again, for ecological reasons.

[Eqcons]

What, they cant find any ocean??

Apparently.

Jim

[Eqcons]

Well peoples rights to do things they enjoy are being taken away every day.  So start with their right to ride these things in circles, you'll find your right to ride ever so briefly and quietly removed also, somewhere down the line, maybe not because of you, but because of others.  As for move, if you don't like the channel, don't watch it, same concept.

Alot of the lakes around here don't allow any internal combustion engines, electric trolling motors, oars or a sail is it.  But they do it for ecological reasons, not annoyance.  Others allow only certain eco-friendly PWC's or outboard engines, again, for ecological reasons.

Sorry Fr8 - you normally speak with great wisdom, and I have great respect for you and your posts, but this is a very weak reply, and no justification at all, not even close, for what is just rude, selfish, loutish behaviour by these people. Tantamount to you saying I should ride my bike round in little circles outside their house and annoy them while I still have the right to do so. What you need to think about is WHY such "rights" might be taken away - and the answer is because of loutish behaviour by a few, getting the right taken away from the many.  Except over here, the loutish behaviour is the many - I've yet to see someone use one of these things sensibly, in the way you describe that you do (which I think sounds great, and I'd really enjoy!).

I'd love to see your reaction if your next door neighbour, 100 yards from you, started dyno tuning dragster motors for ten hours a day every weekend. Of course, you wouldn't complain, would you?  You'd just sell up and move.  And if it happened again, move again. And again.  Yeah, right.

Jim

[guppytrash]

YAMAHA all the way.  Just find a rental place....you will find Yamaha's.
Don't take my word for it call a couple rental places and ask.


Eqcon's I guess my opinion wont matter much to you since I am a "brainfree a$$half" but it seems to me you need to move to a lake that fits your needs.
I find people very annoying who think that their strong opinion entitles them to dictate what everyone else is entitled to do.
If you feel this strongly there are plenty of lakes that have no PWC rules as well as no power boats.
There are also neighborhoods that don't allow street legal motorcycles because some old grouchy a$$hole thinks they are annoying.  Be careful were you go with this, there is always someone in every neighborhood who thinks they are just a little more important than everyone else and they tend to have a sense of entitlement to make "the rules".
Hey I got an idea!  Let's make a rule no house's should be built close to any public use lake, because in my opinion they are for the public to use, and all those houses detract from the original beauty of the lake scenery. And dammm  it I feel strongly about this...so there for I pronounce myself with all my self righteousness the be the rule maker.  You bought the lot and the house, not the lake.  
It's like those that build a house next to an airport and then complain about the noise.
Did you not know the lake was public use, or that PWC's were allowed when you bought your lot/house?
Sorry not trying to pick a fight, but if you come out with your guns a blazin' you should expect return fire.
      

[FR8TRN]

Sorry Fr8 - you normally speak with great wisdom, and I have great respect for you and your posts, but this is a very weak reply, and no justification at all, not even close, for what is just rude, selfish, loutish behaviour by these people. Tantamount to you saying I should ride my bike round in little circles outside their house and annoy them while I still have the right to do so. What you need to think about is WHY such "rights" might be taken away - and the answer is because of loutish behaviour by a few, getting the right taken away from the many.  Except over here, the loutish behaviour is the many - I've yet to see someone use one of these things sensibly, in the way you describe that you do (which I think sounds great, and I'd really enjoy!).

I'd love to see your reaction if your next door neighbour, 100 yards from you, started dyno tuning dragster motors for ten hours a day every weekend. Of course, you wouldn't complain, would you?  You'd just sell up and move.  And if it happened again, move again. And again.  Yeah, right.

Jim

Actually my neighbor is running antique tractor engines most of the time on weekends he's not at the antique tractor pulls, so I know what your saying, and it can get annoying, but thats not the reason I hate him, I hate him because he's an a$$hole... ...and he's not the reason I wanna move, I wanna move because it's too damn cold here in the winter.  I wanna be in FL where it's warmer and actually I've looked at places on lakes down there, alot of which are connected when the water is up.  PWC's are pulled up on nearly every lot along the shore or at nearly every dock.  Not sure I'd enjoy just riding around in the lakes, but thats why they make trailers, I'd certainly try it though and riding in the lake would certainly be better than not riding at all becaue I don't have time to get to a major waterway.

I get where your coming from, I just don't agree that anyone should be able to stop someone else from doing something they enjoy, as long as it's legal of course.....the illegal stuff is up for discussion.

[Eqcons]

YAMAHA all the way.  Just find a rental place....you will find Yamaha's.
Don't take my word for it call a couple rental places and ask.


Eqcon's I guess my opinion wont matter much to you since I am a "brainfree a$$half" but it seems to me you need to move to a lake that fits your needs.
I find people very annoying who think that their strong opinion entitles them to dictate what everyone else is entitled to do.
If you feel this strongly there are plenty of lakes that have no PWC rules as well as no power boats.
There are also neighborhoods that don't allow street legal motorcycles because some old grouchy a$$hole thinks they are annoying.  Be careful were you go with this, there is always someone in every neighborhood who thinks they are just a little more important than everyone else and they tend to have a sense of entitlement to make "the rules".
Hey I got an idea!  Let's make a rule no house's should be built close to any public use lake, because in my opinion they are for the public to use, and all those houses detract from the original beauty of the lake scenery. And dammm  it I feel strongly about this...so there for I pronounce myself with all my self righteousness the be the rule maker.  You bought the lot and the house, not the lake.  
It's like those that build a house next to an airport and then complain about the noise.

Did you not know the lake was public use, or that PWC's were allowed when you bought your lot/house?
Sorry not trying to pick a fight, but if you come out with your guns a blazin' you should expect return fire.
      

I don't think you've read my posts, GT.  And everyone's opinion matters to me - I'm happy to listen to all points of view.

"I am a "brainfree a$$half"

So all you do with your jetski is ride around in little circles for 10 hours a day, 2 days of every week, instead of using it properly like FR8 does? You start trying to run down the ducks and their babies when you get bored??

"you need to move to a lake that fits your needs"

I did.

"there are plenty of lakes that have no PWC rules "

Not in this country.

"There are also neighborhoods that don't allow street legal motorcycles "

Most CERTAINLY not in this country.  Neighbourhoods have to abide by the law of the land like everyone else, and neighbourhoods can't ban street legal anything off their own bat.

"there is always someone in every neighborhood who thinks they are just a little more important than everyone else "

I don't think I'm more "important" than anyone else, and such "importance" has zero to do with this. It's all about consideration for others.

"Let's make a rule no house's should be built close to any public use lake, because in my opinion they are for the public to use, and all those houses detract from the original beauty of the lake scenery"

I completely agree!  The worst eysore of all is the damned trailer park where these morons launch from.

"It's like those that build a house next to an airport and then complain about the noise."

Errr... No. You just haven't taken the time to read what I wrote, have you?  It's the complete opposite - to use your analogy, in reverse, it's like you bought your house in the country and AFTERWARDS they build an airport next to it!

Look, I already said - I have no problem with people - any people - enjoying the lake, as long as they don't consistently annoy others. I'm happy with the power boats, the sailing boats, the water skiers, the swimmers, the fishermen, the hikers, the picnickers - all of them.  Because like any adult and responsible human, they enjoy their hobby without annoying or inconveniencing anyone else. Jetskiers here are different. They annoy EVERYONE else.  The jetskis would be great used in an environment like FR8 describes, but this is not that environment.  At this point, the lake is narrow - a couple of hundred yards wide, and is the area that ALL these other hobbyists use, all enjoying themselves together.

I own a couple of motorcycles, and enjoy riding them in the manner that they were intended. Just because I own a motorcyle though, doesn't mean I'll jump in to protect people who act like hooligans on their motorcycle, because they are "brother" motorcyclists.  I'll criticise the ones who give the rest of us a bad name if they deserve it, so why do you guys - many of whom are normally very sensible in their posts, and, I assume in your behaviour on your bikes, and - where it applies - on your jetskis, feel the need to stand up for these idiots?  

I'm not just being a NIMBY - this is a very real annoyance for all the people who live and visit here; these jetskis have their place, just like FR8 describes.  It ain't going round in little circles on small inland waterways....

Jim

[Eqcons]

I wanna move because it's too damn cold here in the winter. 

Me too! 

I get where your coming from, I just don't agree that anyone should be able to stop someone else from doing something they enjoy

Not what I'm suggesting though - I'm suggesting that people should be civically responsible enough to not behave in such an anti-social manner in the first place!

Jim

[tazmun]

Personally    I think that if you see something that annoys you take a deep breath and thank God you still have your sight and if you hear something that annoys you take a deep breath and thank God your not Deaf and if you smell something that annoys you then just take a small breath and thank God you have the sense of smell If you taste something you don't like you have the God given right to spit it out and choose not to eat it again If you are not happy where you live  Move  and finally if you disagree with my, or anyone Else's views  Feel comfortable in the fact that you have the right to your opinion  AND FOR THAT YOU CAN THANK A VET

Just my 2 cents

You are so dead on!

[tazmun]

Actually my neighbor is running antique tractor engines most of the time on weekends he's not at the antique tractor pulls, so I know what your saying, and it can get annoying, but thats not the reason I hate him, I hate him because he's an a$$hole... ...and he's not the reason I wanna move, I wanna move because it's too damn cold here in the winter.  I wanna be in FL where it's warmer and actually I've looked at places on lakes down there, alot of which are connected when the water is up.  PWC's are pulled up on nearly every lot along the shore or at nearly every dock.  Not sure I'd enjoy just riding around in the lakes, but thats why they make trailers, I'd certainly try it though and riding in the lake would certainly be better than not riding at all becaue I don't have time to get to a major waterway.

I get where your coming from, I just don't agree that anyone should be able to stop someone else from doing something they enjoy, as long as it's legal of course.....the illegal stuff is up for discussion.

I have a friend living across the border from Columbus, GA in Bama, and
he lives on the water. He has warm weather, and can get on is boat, or watercraft
and go for almost 30 miles in either direction!  FUN fun, fun!