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[gstrickland]

I have noticed that when my 09 SERG is cold, the starter seems to want to kick out and make a hideous sounding noise. I stopped by the MOCO and the service guy tells me there has been a problem with the 110 Screaming Eagle starters, he suggested that I purchase a "trike" piece to replace my facory one, naturally they will handle the warranty, but I am expected to pay an additional $130 for the upgrade. I asked shouldn't the MOCO fix it and if it was a part that is not standing up, shouldn't the MOCO make it right.....? Anyone one else experiencing this?

[muddypaws]

Just got a new starter on my 2009 SEUC. HD paid

[grc]

I have noticed that when my 09 SERG is cold, the starter seems to want to kick out and make a hideous sounding noise. I stopped by the MOCO and the service guy tells me there has been a problem with the 110 Screaming Eagle starters, he suggested that I purchase a "trike" piece to replace my facory one, naturally they will handle the warranty, but I am expected to pay an additional $130 for the upgrade. I asked shouldn't the MOCO fix it and if it was a part that is not standing up, shouldn't the MOCO make it right.....? Anyone one else experiencing this?

What "trike piece" is he talking about?  Is he perhaps talking about the new compensator that's standard on the 2010 CVO's and the trikes?  If that's what he's talking about, I don't see where that would fix your starting problem. 

The MoCo is obligated to fix the starting problem free of charge, under the terms of the warranty as well as various implied warranties of merchantability and fitness.  You don't have to pay anything for that fix, and if Harley has decided an "upgraded" compensator or some other part is necessary to solve the starting problem then they should provide that free of charge as well.  I do have a suggestion.  Why not call H-D direct and ask them about this "problem with the 110 Screamin' Eagle starters" and see what they have to say.  If they say the installation of this "upgrade" part will fix the problem, then ask them to arrange for it to be done on your bike free of charge. 

Make absolutely certain with a 110 that the compression releases are in fact working.  If they aren't, you will continue to tear up starter drives.  Also make certain they check the ring gear teeth on the clutch for damage.  Replacing the starter drive, or the entire starter, won't fix the problem if the mating gear is damaged.

Jerry

[aclass]

Also be reminded that if you've installed a tuner that your ACR's may be disabled by default.  I know that the SEST turns them off by default.

[tennisman]

Had the SAME SYMPTOMS!!  Dealer replaced my starter, clutch basket (complete), and replaced the stock compensator with the SE compensator as instructed by the factory. SE compensators were on backorder at the factory and dealer had to get one from another HD shop.  Bike was in the shop 2.5 weeks.  Day and night starting diff - now it starts like it should - was never this slick starting from Day One.  HD paid it all (parts alone were $1300).  SE comp has stronger springs and more travel (i.e. it's a bigger shock absorber).

I did have a rear cylinder ACR go out at around 15K miles and they fixed it, but I had a period of extremely rough starts while the ACR was not functioning.  After ACR fixed it started okay again, but then at 30K or so, it started grinding and kicking out occasionally.

08 FLHTCUSE3 with 31K miles.
T

[Keats]

they just installed a new starter in my 2008 Ultra.

ACR's fine

just a bad starter that will not hold up

I no longer start the bike in gear (I would start bike about half of the time in gear with clutch pulled in)

and yes I know the manual states to start in neutral.

Old habits die hard.....

any constellation .....I would pull clutch in and rock bike back and forth to free up engagement.........obviously not enough.

[yellowhog]

The starter on my '05 FLHTSCE2 kicks out sometimes when she's hot.  I've had 2 Harley dealers tell me that I need to replace my starter with the hi-torque starter and that should solve the problem.  I guess Harley didn't tell them that the bike came with the 1.4kv starter.  They wanted me to pay $500 for an item already on the bike.  They should definitely replace the starter and you shouldn't have to pay anything additional to "fix" their problem.

[gstrickland]

It seems as though I could have several problems, it does have a SERT installed. I thought it felt more like ACRS, only because I had a built bike with manual releases and.....oops ,forgot to release them a couple of times at first, made the similar sound. The MOCO did specify "compensator." sounds like, give them the $130, and maybe they can figure it out?

[grc]

It seems as though I could have several problems, it does have a SERT installed. I thought it felt more like ACRS, only because I had a built bike with manual releases and.....oops ,forgot to release them a couple of times at first, made the similar sound. The MOCO did specify "compensator." sounds like, give them the $130, and maybe they can figure it out?

OK, it's got a SERT.  Who "installed" the map and/or tuned the bike?  If it was this dealership, the one that's trying to extort $130, and they left the ACR's disabled, they owe you, not the other way around.  Make absolutely certain the ACR's are enabled and actually working.  If they aren't, a new starter drive, or new starter, or a different compensator isn't going to fix anything.

As for the compensator, if you enjoy having people extort money from you under false pretenses, then by all means go ahead.  Otherwise, just tell them to fix the bike and send the bill to H-D or eat it themselves.  There is absolutely no reason to pay them to fix a problem that's still under warranty (or that the dealership possibly caused if they did the SERT). 

Oh, btw, the MOCO isn't a dealership, it's the manufacturer.  Big difference in what a dealership tries to tell you, and the actual manufacturer of the product.  Your dealership is the one pushing the compensator "upgrade", not Harley-Davidson Motor Company (the MoCo).


Jerry

[gstrickland]

Jerry, thanks for the clarification on the MOCO/ delarship, as far as I'm concerned, they are all in the same bed. I would imagine after they tear it apart......there will be something else, thanks for the advice, as always, I am never amazed at the amount of good info that comes from this site....just want it fixed properly!

[mrmagloo]

Does the 2006 SEUC 103 have the ACR's? I thought not??

[sawyerghost]

Tennisman,
I am having the same issues on my FLHTCUSE3 as well.
The starter has always kicked out from day one, just as you have stated.
Had dealer check out, and they said all checked out from what they could tell.
I was just about to purchase a new battery thinking that was the issue.
Can you tell me how you went about discovering this and getting it covered through the MOCO, so that I might offer it to my dealer?

Sawyerghost

[skreminegul07]

Does the 2006 SEUC 103 have the ACR's? I thought not??

I do not believe so.  I believe ACRs first arrived in 2007 with the new primary gearing and on the SE 110 motors.  The police bikes (103) were retrofitted with ACRs in 2007 or 2008 by the MOCO.

[tennisman]

Hey Sawyerghost:

I just went to my dealer and said it was grinding during startup.  They heard it and concurred it's not right.  They took it apart and didn't see anything terribly bad and contacted MoCo.  MoCo told them to replace the parts I stated including upgrading the compensator to a SE compensator (http://accessories.harley-davidson.com/screamin_eagle/clutch_components/screamin_eagle_big_twin_compensator/default.aspx)

T-man

[2BWILD]

My starter was making some noises and clunking and it turned out that one of my compression releases wasn't working properly.

They took care of the compression release and I wanted them to replace the starter too but they said there is currently no indication there is a problem with the starter. I'm worried about long term what effect it may have.