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[Eqcons]

Without the wiring diagram for the kit I can not say for sure why it won't work with the Bluetooth kit but my guess is that they are using the same wires as the Bluetooth kit.

If so, I'd be surprised - the BT kit gives the phone total control of all audio. Fully mutes everything else - nothing interrupts.

But if that's the case - would splicing both together work, do you think?

The harness for the BT kit has a couple of spare connectors - the one for XM (not fitted to HDI bikes, so it's spare) and one "For future use".  Wonder if it could be connected into one of those?

Interesting that I have had a prototype sitting on my bench for 6 months now that does pretty much the same thing. Only the one I am working on would allow you to listen to the radio or the GPS XM or MP3 from the GPS and then would interrupt any output when a turn direction signal is present. Looks like I can leave it on the bench, where it has been since riding season opened up.

I wouldn't rule it out, Jim - I've no interest in you BOM device, as I have the HD BT kit, and like the control over calls/phonebook etc that gives within the hand controls, but I've long been looking for a device to allow connection of the Zumo's instructions into the audio system such that it would mute all other audio, awithout needing to use the AUX port.  Kennedy's one does the job, but the price is just silly.  If you want someone to test your prototype, I'm your man!

Jim

[amigo Jorge]

Available exclusively for Harley-Davidson® Road Tech™ zumo Navigation Systems. The Navigation Interface Module will provide an integrated link between the fairing-mounted Advanced Audio Radio and a Road Tech™ zumo 660 or 665 GPS Navigator

I wonder if it will work for the regular zumo 660 or 665?

[Eqcons]

Available exclusively for Harley-Davidson® Road Tech™ zumo Navigation Systems. The Navigation Interface Module will provide an integrated link between the fairing-mounted Advanced Audio Radio and a Road Tech™ zumo 660 or 665 GPS Navigator

I wonder if it will work for the regular zumo 660 or 665?

Absolutely it will - there's no doubt about that at all! 

Jim

[bissjim]

If so, I'd be surprised - the BT kit gives the phone total control of all audio. Fully mutes everything else - nothing interrupts.

But if that's the case - would splicing both together work, do you think?

The harness for the BT kit has a couple of spare connectors - the one for XM (not fitted to HDI bikes, so it's spare) and one "For future use".  Wonder if it could be connected into one of those?

I wouldn't rule it out, Jim - I've no interest in you BOM device, as I have the HD BT kit, and like the control over calls/phonebook etc that gives within the hand controls, but I've long been looking for a device to allow connection of the Zumo's instructions into the audio system such that it would mute all other audio, awithout needing to use the AUX port.  Kennedy's one does the job, but the price is just silly.  If you want someone to test your prototype, I'm your man!

Jim

As I said without the new kit wiring diagram I do not know if they are using the Bluetooth interrupt circuit built into the radio. To me it would be the logical thing to do. Having said that I can see a few problems attaching more then one device to this circuit, it would be like connecting two amplifiers to the same speakers.

The Harley Bluetooth device was a good idea. A bit on the expensive side but it integrated seamlessly as it should. They would do well to bring it back with a tie in for the GPS and the ability to update the program or data file so that they can keep up with current phones. I think the inability of the Bluetooth module to connect to new phones may have been the reason they stopped making them at least that is one possible reason.

The Kennedy unit does a good job but only works for the headset not the bike’s speakers. Lots of people ride without a helmet and use a throat mic and the bikes speakers; I am not one as I like my head. This new kit looks like it will interrupt the radio’s output even if you are listening via the speakers, some will like that.

My prototype does interrupt all audio outputs weather it was from the radio or the GPS whenever a turn direction signal is present.

It works on my test bench and will work on the bike. But it is a complex circuit to build one at a time and I think the only way to make it cost effective would be to have it manufactured in China. I may finish it up and that only requires me to put it in a case or container and install it on my bike though. I can’t afford to have them made. The old saying “it takes money to make money” is true.

[Eqcons]

As I said without the new kit wiring diagram I do not know if they are using the Bluetooth interrupt circuit built into the radio. To me it would be the logical thing to do.

But as I said, the BT interrupt kills ALL other audio - first priority, and it doesn't quiet it, it kills it completely.  That's at odds with your saying that this harness only quiets the audio, no?

Having said that I can see a few problems attaching more then one device to this circuit, it would be like connecting two amplifiers to the same speakers.

Surmountable though, yes?  i.e. when the phone circuit was live, block input from the GPS? (And don't forget the spare inputs on the BT harness). I've ordered one, so we'll see what's what once it arrives. I'll let you know, if you are interested?

The Harley Bluetooth device was a good idea. A bit on the expensive side but it integrated seamlessly as it should. They would do well to bring it back with a tie in for the GPS and the ability to update the program or data file so that they can keep up with current phones. I think the inability of the Bluetooth module to connect to new phones may have been the reason they stopped making them at least that is one possible reason.

Not just a good idea, a BRILLIANT idea. Integrates seamlessly as you say.  And it does pair with new phones (I had to buy a new phone late last year, and it pairs happily with that. It pairs with iPhones too. It is choosy about what older phones it pairs with, but new ones all seem fine.  It pairs with most, not just what was on their compatibility list.

The Kennedy unit does a good job but only works for the headset not the bike’s speakers. Lots of people ride without a helmet and use a throat mic and the bikes speakers; I am not one as I like my head. This new kit looks like it will interrupt the radio’s output even if you are listening via the speakers, some will like that.

Not something I worry about - helmets are the law in just about the whole world, except some US States. Also, at any speed, trying to listen via speakers is pretty useless, particularly for things you MUST hear clearly, like route instructions. If you turn the speakers up loud enough to hear, they start to trip the vox. The prohibitive thing with the Kennedy unit is the cost - it's ridiculous.  The vast majority would have no problem with the instructions being headset only.

My prototype does interrupt all audio outputs whether it was from the radio or the GPS whenever a turn direction signal is present.

Sounds great if the cost can be kept reasonable.

It works on my test bench and will work on the bike. But it is a complex circuit to build one at a time and I think the only way to make it cost effective would be to have it manufactured in China. I may finish it up and that only requires me to put it in a case or container and install it on my bike though. I can’t afford to have them made. The old saying “it takes money to make money” is true.

Care to give me a price for making one for me?  Happy to case it myself, if that helps.....

Jim

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[1sharprdkg]

Huh I was hoping to see more creative paint graphics. Flames again!!! I don't hate the paint or the flames. I reserve judgement until I see one in person. one or two color combos would be nice.

[Trey767]

I do agree with blissjim,

The Kennedy unit does a good job but only works for the headset not the bike’s speakers. Lots of people ride without a helmet and use a throat mic and the bikes speakers; I am not one as I like my head. This new kit looks like it will interrupt the radio’s output even if you are listening via the speakers, some will like that.
 

Kennedy's unit does the job, but I may put it on my wifes trike or sale it. In the summer the head sets are just too much. I would rather the instructions over the speaker

[Eqcons]

Kennedy's unit does the job, but I may put it on my wifes trike or sale it.

Let me know if you decide to sell it!

Jim

[bissjim]

But as I said, the BT interrupt kills ALL other audio - first priority, and it doesn't quiet it, it kills it completely.  That's at odds with your saying that this harness only quiets the audio, no?

You are correct I mis read the description for the kit, I thought it said it quiets the other audio source but it does say it drops it.


Surmountable though, yes?  i.e. when the phone circuit was live, block input from the GPS? (And don't forget the spare inputs on the BT harness). I've ordered one, so we'll see what's what once it arrives. I'll let you know, if you are interested?

I am and I am sure others will be interested in just what is going on and how it connects. I wish you could download Harley ACC instructions. I don't see what the big thing is that Harley does not allow that. If you lost indtructions for an ACC you have you need to go to a dealer to get a copy.

Not just a good idea, a BRILLIANT idea. Integrates seamlessly as you say.  And it does pair with new phones (I had to buy a new phone late last year, and it pairs happily with that. It pairs with iPhones too. It is choosy about what older phones it pairs with, but new ones all seem fine.  It pairs with most, not just what was on their compatibility list.

I sure would like to know why they stopped making them, it was a great ACC.

Not something I worry about - helmets are the law in just about the whole world, except some US States. Also, at any speed, trying to listen via speakers is pretty useless, particularly for things you MUST hear clearly, like route instructions. If you turn the speakers up loud enough to hear, they start to trip the vox. The prohibitive thing with the Kennedy unit is the cost - it's ridiculous.  The vast majority would have no problem with the instructions being headset only.

Sounds great if the cost can be kept reasonable.

Care to give me a price for making one for me?  Happy to case it myself, if that helps.....

I am still up in the air about it as it is complex to build and would take me about 4 to 5 hours to make one from scratch. It is just a prototype and I may be able to reduce the size but It's riding season and I have not touched it in months. The only differance I see with my prototype and the new kit is that the kit may not allow you to listen to any MP3 songs you have loaded into the GPS or the XM if you have that on your GPS. Let us know what happens when you get yours.

Jim

[Eqcons]

I am still up in the air about it as it is complex to build and would take me about 4 to 5 hours to make one from scratch. It is just a prototype and I may be able to reduce the size but It's riding season and I have not touched it in months. The only differance I see with my prototype and the new kit is that the kit may not allow you to listen to any MP3 songs you have loaded into the GPS or the XM if you have that on your GPS. Let us know what happens when you get yours.

Well, as I have the BT kit, I may get nowhere with it.  Does your prototype use the BT interrupt circuit?  If so, can you easily get it not to?  (If so, that might be a way for me to make the kit work...)

Jim

[bissjim]

Well, as I have the BT kit, I may get nowhere with it.  Does your prototype use the BT interrupt circuit?  If so, can you easily get it not to?  (If so, that might be a way for me to make the kit work...)

Jim

Yes it does.

Not knowing what would happen with two devices connected at the same time to one input I would not want to offer my radio up. It is just not a good engineering idea unless you have designed for it and you have isolation to stop the output signal from one device from feeding into the output circuit of another device. You could damage either of the devices and or radio.

The new kit may allow for those with a BT module.

[Eqcons]

Yes it does.

Not knowing what would happen with two devices connected at the same time to one input I would not want to offer my radio up. It is just not a good engineering idea unless you have designed for it and you have isolation to stop the output signal from one device from feeding into the output circuit of another device. You could damage either of the devices and or radio.

The new kit may allow for those with a BT module.

Remember the new kit specifically says that it does not work with the BT module.  How about a diode in each output?


Jim

[bissjim]

Remember the new kit specifically says that it does not work with the BT module.  How about a diode in each output?


Jim

I don't think it would be that simple there are many variables involved. Without actually doing a bit of reverse engineering I can not say for sure   . I can say that you can do anything if you spend enough money.

[Jerry/MD]

only 1 option

Surprised at 1 color option. Guess it's a sign of the times.   I have to say...this is my favorite color so far of the 2010-2011 SEUC offerings.

[Mr_Ed]

Yup, as sweet azz as the Emperor's New clothes!

Jim

LOL....good one