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[Twolanerider]

Well, I got the official word back from Harley - My amp cannot be reflashed to 'enable' the full benefit of installing this kit. At which point I stated that if the HO amp has a hard coded low end cut built in, why in the heck isn't this mentioned with ALL of the other higher dollar audio 'upgrades' you guys are hawking? You guys are advertising upgraded BOOM speakers with enhanced frequency response, even including graphs showing lower lows, all which have no warning whatsoever that that the amp won't pass the additional frequency range. WTF is with that??

The unhelpful rep stated that they would no longer talk to me about the issue, and if I wanted to pursue this, I should talk to my dealer - who we already know has no idea about this all, and really would have no vested interest in getting in the middle of a HD bonehead situation. Gosh, I'm getting a little ticked off about HD constantly telling me to take a hike when logical questions pop up.

We'll see what J&M has to say.

Harley to English Translation:

Customer: I'd like to buy your part/bike/whatever.
HD: Oh, Goodeeeeeeeee.
Customer: Will it work?
HD: Of course! Well, probably; at least for awhile.  Sort of.
Customer: Huh?
HD: (thinking in its head hears the voices say, "He's an HD customer, he'll buy it, he'll buy anything!)
HD: I'm sorry, of course it'll work.  It's supposed to be that way.  It's normal.  And if there's any problem call our fine customer service department.
Customer: Ok.

time passes

Customer: Uh, it doesn't work right.
HD: Really?
Customer: Yeah, er no, really, it doesn't work right.
HD: It's supposed to be that way.
Customer: What way?  I haven't said what it's doing yet.
HD: Doesn't matter.  It's supposed to be that way.
Customer: Wait, it doesn't work right.
HD: Go pound sand.

click.... dial tone (or,  area service rep drives away.....)

[Iron Cross Audio]

I'm sure he does, but I hate to bug him with something that won't result in a sale for him.

Not always about money...glad to help....

The amps on both the radio and  HO amp would have a low end cut to prevent distortion to most any speaker mounted in stock speaker locations. More a matter of size than speaker quality (we're talking in very general terms, so all you audiophiles just relax and resist the obvious examples to the contrary  )

The flashing done to the radio's amp to lower the frequency response will be done through the J1850 line. Same data line used to turn on fader, intercom, and receive the AVC signal. There is no J1850 line to the HO amp. So the digital tech cannot communicate with it. Therefore, dealer cant flash it.

Hope this helped

[mrmagloo]

Thanks for the feedback. However, it seems rather curious that HD would be promoting us high dollar speaker upgrades for the rears - with specific claims to improve the low end response, if they are well aware that the amp would prevent this from actually materializing.

Is there a mod that can be done to allow the unit to be flashed, or can this EQ be modded some how without the J1850 line?

[Iron Cross Audio]

Even if you don't re-flash the EQ parameters, porting the tour pack will increase the base response by increasing the air flow to the back end of the speaker (to put it in it's simplest terms). The thing I would question is the perceived benefit of increasing base on the speakers behind you while you are moving and your ears are buffeted with wind. I look forward to some feedback to those who do it.

[mrmagloo]

Agreed it should help a little, and as long as I have it, I'll probably use it. Still, with all of this J&M stuff I have, that I just found is getting it's knees chopped off, it sure would be nice to figure out how to mod that EQ.

[Harleypingman]

Adding to my confusion about the exclusion of the bass boost port accessory from bikes with the 76192-06A amp is HD's new accessory kit that includes the same (?) amp, speakers, and Bass Boost Port in a single kit:

Boom! Audio™ Ultra Boom! Bagger Kit


Fill the air with sound from this Boom Audio! Ultra Boom! Bagger Kit. This complete audio kit provides the latest in Harley-Davidson® audio components, and includes Boom! Audio™ Fairing and Rear Speakers, the Boom! Audio™ Bass Booster Port Kit, and the Boom! Audio™ Tour-Pak® Mounted Amplifier. When installed, the increased power of the amplifier provides the front and rear speakers with a clean signal, and a custom equalization is available to further optimize the performance of the Boom! Audio™ speakers. The high-performance front and ported rear speakers provide improved bass response and the overall sound quality at all volume levels is outstanding. Speakers feature two-year warranty. Dealer installation is required (labor cost not included).

 76000051

IN-STORE PURCHASE ONLY Contact dealer for pricing and availability.


Fits '06-later FLHTCU, FLHTK, and FLHTCUTG models equipped with the Advanced Audio Radio. Also fits Electra Glide® and Street Glide® models equipped with Advanced Audio Radio, rigid-mount King Tour-Pak® and rear speaker pods.

MSRP US $749.95




 
 

[Harleypingman]

Confusion resolved:  the amp in the new amp/speakers/bass port kit is p/n 76192-06B and not the 79162-06A used on the pre-'11 CVO Ultras and included in previous amp kits.

Carl

[mrmagloo]

What's the difference in the amps though? They won't give the frequency spec on the 06 or 06A?

[captain_jeb]

Buddy of mine had the new Boom speakers and the port added at Rapid City when were there a couple weeks ago. He didn't add the Harley amp. The bass response through the port was pretty awesome; I was impressed. However I guess all that is really done is to cut a hole through the pod into the tour pack. Looks better than just a hole there I guess and its not too expensive. But they charged an hour labor; which seemed a little too much.
All in all it sounded good considering it didn't have the amp. Lost a little quality when turned up too loud and that is what counts.

[mrmagloo]

He lost a little quality when he turned it up?

[captain_jeb]

Yes, when he turned it up all the way on some songs it wasn't as clear. But he didn't add an amp yet. I think he is leaning toward the one under the fairing rather the the HD (H/K). Seemed to be easier install. The one on demo with the HD amp was clear.

[redrodo]

The Harley Rep at their tent in Sturgis said what you are saying.That the amps on the 2010 and before take out low range response. You would benefit from the Bass Ports with the amps we have but to get the best results you would have to change the amp to the new "b" model. I guess to make me feel better he told me that they didn't change harness and the new amp would just plug right in. I do have a set of Bass Ports on order and Man O War Harley in Lexington is going to install them next week if they come in. I just don't like to drill holes in tour pacs. To many things can go wrong. I'll take pictures and give you my opinion when its done.

[mrmagloo]

Yeah, I put this on hold until I get more reviews. Swapping the A to the B for $450 ain't happening, so I might just leave things alone. Kind of crappy to hear after the fact the HD has been hiding this little filter gem for so long.

[kraut]

does anybody know details of the amp for the '11 FLHXSE?

And as I'm already asking stupid questions another one: if using a third party amp I understand I need to have the radio flashed too - is this supposed to be a job any dealer will understand/do or am I to expect difficulties here?

Excuses for 

[mrmagloo]

I don't think anyone really knows. This entire frequency cut thing caught me totally by surprise. Think of it:  They have been selling us speaker upgrades for years promoting a wider frequency response and lower lows, fully knowing that the amp will just cut the lows anyway. WTF?  Also, we have all of these aftermarket guys that are effected as well.  Just think about it, any amp, like J&M's 250w that takes high level inputs from the amp, is going to get cut too. The only way to solve this is to pay the dough to swap to the B amp, or just scrap it all, and go aftermarket.  Gosh, it really irritates me that when I call to confirm this all, I get stonewalled, told I'm nuts, and told to go away.

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