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TTS vs SERT
« on: August 13, 2010, 12:47:47 PM »

I have SERT on my VRSCSE2 and FXSTDSE2. Thinking of TTS for FLSTSE. Any pro and cons to help with the decision making process would be appreciated.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2010, 09:15:03 PM »

 SERT is no longer. It was made by TTS. Now if you are wondering about SESPT and TTS? Just my opinion but the TTS is a little more capable and a whole lot more user friendly.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2010, 12:01:03 PM »

SESPT works ok and does more or less the same as TTS.

I suggest to take the item your entrusted tuner is best familiar with.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 12:19:04 PM »

SESPT works ok and does more or less the same as TTS.

I suggest to take the item your entrusted tuner is best familiar with.

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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 12:46:17 PM »

Actually the TTS is has many more tools in the box than the ProTuner....I think Steve at FullSac said it best,'' Using the Pro Tuner is like working on the Space Shuttle with a crescent wrench''...lol
Really on a serious the TTS is hands down the best tuner on the market today.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 01:18:27 PM »

that may well be true Doc and I trust you know what you are talking about - but what does the best tuning device on earth help you when you got no one who knows to work with it?

And as to this I know what I'm talking about - I'm happy beyond all measures our folks over here in Germany finally end of last year learned to work the SESPT. Before it was PCIII or nothing.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 01:43:04 PM »

Kraut

Any HD dealer using the HD sold product, that has been tuning EFI bikes since 2001 and later has been using the same basic product. So any one that can tune with SERT can tune with Mastertune. They can just do more with Mastertune as there tuning tool.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 03:42:50 PM »

@Steve:

didn't we have this discussion already  ;)

... any one that can tune with SERT can tune with Mastertune. They can just do more with Mastertune as there tuning tool.

as you know - and Doc even better knows - there are dearly few that could tune with SERT. Over here in good old Europe just none to be precise  ::)

There was no SERT-Academy for non-US-dealers. And even many US-shops who's people did the courses and have all the equipment can't - or won't - do more than just download canned maps. Same with PC-shops to be fair: they have to trust in the computer to do the job.

Now there is smarttune. It's in a way like letting the computer dial in the PCIII on a dyno. That much they can handle. But that's it.

There is just no use for giving them any superior tuning device as they don't know how to handle it - and therefore won't dare to even try those additional tools. As long as our dealers can move under the MoCo's cover by using the MoCo provided SESPT by the MoCo's book they will do exactly that.

I'll give you an example:

My last bike died because of those d... INA cam bearings. When I bought my new bike I wanted the dealer to install Torrington bearings as the cams were changed anyway. That was about 5 or 6 weeks before the MoCo intoduced them as SE-parts. The dealer refused to use aftermarket parts in fear of endangering the MoCo warranty.

Same discussion with the SERT. I had the SERT for 5 years and all the german dealers could do with it was downloading the MoCo's canned maps. So I discussed Thundermax, PC V and TTS with the dealer. For the same warranty reasons I got the SEST. And we privately agreed that I would get a PCV Autotune "inofficially" for next to nothing if they couldn't dial in the bike with the SEST. Because there is a renowned PC-shop just some 100 m away and the dealer would let them do the job. We both knew no one tuning with TTS and only 2 doing it with direct link (one in the Netherlands and the other one almost as far away).

I was lucky because the bike ran ok with the canned map by SEST and with smarttune now performs even fairly good.

That much as to superior tools: they are worth nothing at all if no one can - or dares to - handle them.

I would really appreciate if TTS would be an option and as in the EEC the propulsive warranty ends after 2 years I'm pretty shure many would love to go this way after their warranty has expired. But as long as there is virtually not one single renowned tuner over here using TTS it is no option.

So my advice stays as above: buy the tool you know someone who will be able to use it.

But I'm really quite certain we already had this discussion some time ago  ;)
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 04:29:18 PM »

There has to be someone over there using them as we ship quite a few units to our Germany distributor each year. Phoenix-ICP is there name so maybe that can help in the future. There number is +495331-903015.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 05:12:26 PM »

V-tune, case closed. TTS is the most user friendly tuner out there. dont need no stinkin' dyno.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 06:00:36 PM »

thx Steve, I know your distributor - but do you know their real business?  AS/400 - last century technology ::)

No idea to whom they may sell their units - I've never heard of any shop let alone official dealer in Germany selling or using TTS however. But I will call them again to ask if they can perhaps give me any references now.

I'm just a lawyer you know - I may know my way around the books and theory but I need someone to do the real work for me  ;)

No way I will play around with my engine on my own ressources  ::)

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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 07:11:36 PM »

I've got no idea about what all they do but I do know that a lot of units go over there. If you go on the link you gave and pick TTS as the manufacture they list dealers that use it but I do not read German nor understand where those dealer of there's are.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2010, 07:43:25 PM »

thx Steve, I know your distributor - but do you know their real business?  AS/400 - last century technology ::)

No idea to whom they may sell their units - I've never heard of any shop let alone official dealer in Germany selling or using TTS however. But I will call them again to ask if they can perhaps give me any references now.

I'm just a lawyer you know - I may know my way around the books and theory but I need someone to do the real work for me  ;)

No way I will play around with my engine on my own resources  ::)



I have a passport and I would love to come over to Germany to tune your bike.....might be a bit expensive though...lol. However if there is a shop that wants some training on the workings of the TTS I would be available for that.
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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2010, 09:32:42 PM »

I checked... your on the "no fly list" Doc.

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Re: TTS vs SERT
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2010, 07:27:39 AM »

I checked... your on the "no fly list" Doc.



That figures.....I bet you it's because I speak English..... :P
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