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[Heatwave]

I wouldn't get to crazy about dyno results. I have witnessed substantially different dyno numbers on the same engine (different dynos). If your seat of the pants dyno is good, your numbers sure aren't bad. Yes the same brand of dyno at different shops has read surprisingly different (same tune). I also have made myself crazy. If you are a long time user of this site you will have seen wildly different numbers with the same or substantially the same builds. One guy always ants to know why.

In general I agree with you on this point however the OP also has a legitimate question/point about the 110's in general. While it's true that different dynos, different days, different operators etc can make a significant difference in dyno results, it's also true that 2010/11  110's are simply not showing the same performance results after engine upgrades as earlier 110's. Clearly something is different that goes beyond the dynos they were run on. I have yet to see a 2010/11 110" achieve dyno results above 120/120 (or even close) yet earlier 110's have generated 120+/120+ with the same upgrades. To date, I've yet to read a single post that can explain the difference away.

[cvobiker]

In general I agree with you on this point however the OP also has a legitimate question/point about the 110's in general. While it's true that different dynos, different days, different operators etc can make a significant difference in dyno results, it's also true that 2010/11  110's are simply not showing the same performance results after engine upgrades as earlier 110's. Clearly something is different that goes beyond the dynos they were run on. I have yet to see a 2010/11 110" achieve dyno results above 120/120 (or even close) yet earlier 110's have generated 120+/120+ with the same upgrades. To date, I've yet to read a single post that can explain the difference away.

These guys are getting it done....    http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=55845.0

[Beak Boater]

While I understand your dissapointment from a dyno standpoint, have you had a chance to ride it? How was the acceleration compared to stock? Going into a build expected numbers from a builder are  usually an estimate and not a guarantee. I have a 2010 SEUC, and also contemplating doing the same. I am watching this thread with intrest. I love the way the bike rides now, so am a little hesitant to change anything.  Good luck, hope you get some answers. Their is a lot of knowledge on this board, someone will have a suggestion.

[Heatwave]

These guys are getting it done....    http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=55845.0

Time to talk to Joe

[doubledown]

As far as dyno numbers go I have two stories (non Harley) In 2001 we were building Hayabusas to races down at Maxton NC. on my buddies conservitive dyno my friends Busa posted 212 hp to the rear wheel. a month later in daytona at bike week, for chits and giggles entered his busa in the dyno shootout. In warmer weather the same bike on a different dyno posted 227hp and won the event for a NA jap bike. Different dynos WAY differnt numbers.


     I used to be big into diesel HP. two friends had two different set ups. They were both 12 valve cummins diesel engines. One was (at that time) the dyno king at 750 rwhp, my other buddy was strictly a racer (diesel drags) his truck "only" made 540 rwhp. but ran high 11's the dyno king took his truck to the track and with an additional 210 rwhp proceded to run low to mid 13's.


  Its more about the torque curve than peak #s if you want to go fast. and dynos and dyno "operators" vary greatly.   

[HUBBARD]

As far as dyno numbers go I have two stories (non Harley) In 2001 we were building Hayabusas to races down at Maxton NC. on my buddies conservitive dyno my friends Busa posted 212 hp to the rear wheel. a month later in daytona at bike week, for chits and giggles entered his busa in the dyno shootout. In warmer weather the same bike on a different dyno posted 227hp and won the event for a NA jap bike. Different dynos WAY differnt numbers.     I used to be big into diesel HP. two friends had two different set ups. They were both 12 valve cummins diesel engines. One was (at that time) the dyno king at 750 rwhp, my other buddy was strictly a racer (diesel drags) his truck "only" made 540 rwhp. but ran high 11's the dyno king took his truck to the track and with an additional 210 rwhp proceded to run low to mid 13's.


  Its more about the torque curve than peak #s if you want to go fast. and dynos and dyno "operators" vary greatly.   

Ain't that the truth.  Horsepower junkie, myself.  Have a '96 Western Star I restored, with a DDEC III, Boat Motor.  800 HP.  Use it in a Lo-Boy application to transport Off-Highway Trucks all over the Eastern US.  Usually 90,000 to 110,000 GCW.  Runs like a scalded dog.  Drug 110,000 GCW to Maine, US Border.  2.2 MPG!  Later--HUBBARD

[slider3w]

LOL Ouch! 2.2 miles per gallon, wow sure hoping that load payed well!! (2.2 really)

[cwright2]

 Diyno were pretty easy to fake the numbers. on the once where you had to entered the air temperature, barometric pressure, bike weight, etc. would make a big difference.  Some shops never took the time to inner the info. these sensors were options When they bought them.

[HUBBARD]

LOL Ouch! 2.2 miles per gallon, wow sure hoping that load payed well!! (2.2 really)

Use it to deliver "Off High-Way Coal Haulers", and such, that cost between $390,000 & $420,000.00 each.  Run "Not for Hire."  'Bout the same level of therapy as ridin' Ol' Maudie.  Merry Christmas!  Later--HUBBARD

[IMAbadman]

Maybe we can get this thread back on track to the actual question...

slider3w I'm running into the same.  Did extensive mods to my 2008 110" (heads, roller rockers, 10.7 static compression 9.6 corrected compression) including a complete lower rebuild and I'm hitting 108 tq/112hp.  I too expected low-mid 120's for numbers.  Unfortuantely that'll have to wait till spring to complete the break in and final tuning.

I'm sorry, but some of the proceeding discussion is, as stated, just plain foolish.  At the risk of reading another 20 posts about how someones cousin's, dad's, grandma's dyno read different than Johnny's dyno...  I'll say it anyway.  Dynos are a tuning tool.  For the most part if they're running the same software, set up correctly, and using the appropiate inputs they'll be withing points of one another.  With that being said the biggest factor, in my opinion the single most important factor, to different dyno runs/tunes is that a QUALIFIED AND SKILLED OPERATOR IS REQUIRED.  

I don't and will not argue with the ones that feel dyno runs mean nothing.  When people don't understand nor know how to use the data from the dyno then they're right, it's usless to them.  Years ago the earth was thought to be flat too.  Knowledge is power.  Knowledge helps you make engine power.

What you're shooting for is to produce a maximum torque value and carry it out through the RPM range as long as possible.  You're HP is nothing more than a calculation from your dyno measured torque.  It would be nice to see the dyno chart from your run including air/fuel ratio.  There are many highly skilled, I'd even say experts, on here that can help to dianose engine problems utilizing the dyno data.  While I'm not saying your tuner isn't skilled and/or an expert, most competent tuners would have been able to troubleshoot exhaust restrictions or maybe throttlebody/injector issues.

[slider3w]

looking at the dyno sheet, it looks to be consistant through the RPM range to have a air fuel ratio of 13.5 to 1 The people who dyno'd this for me is Trask Performance in Phoenix. ( took it with me to Phoenix in a trailer while on a 10 day vacation) They also stated that they had just 2 months prior, themsleves built a motor very simular to mine only using a woods 630 cam and that motor produced the 120/ 120 range as we up here in Seattle had figured our motor would produce. again the only difference was the cam and they sent their head off to someone in Montana? Not sure who in Montana is doing heads, but they just had never used Dan Baisley prior, sometimes people go elsewhere only because of the wait time, My wait time was 7 or 8 weeks. still there first thoughts were that somewhere in the flow I had some sort of problem? They were scratching their heads as well. So not sure what to do!! Thanks for the input though.....talked with more than one person with 110 motors who have had nothing but problems, people using the 88, 96 or 103 motors, who upgrade to a 110, seem not to have this same problem, but if the motor started out as a 110....problems! Thats why I was wondering if it could be a timing issue, or the crank sensor is not correcly done from the MC??? Might be stretching here a bit, but still am really confused as what and or where to move from here.

[td119]

slider3w I am in the middle of a 110 rebuild and like you spend the last few months doing research on "how to get the most out of the 110" Spoke with Dan and he gave me the same advise the heads are at Dan's shop as we speak going with the Super Stock set up.  Should have them back in the middle of January. I am having Darkhorse balance, change the arms and weld the flywheel, adding Timken bearings, keeping the stock pistons, roller rockers and Woods lifters.  Having the throttle body reworked at HPI .  As for the cams still have not decided, between Andrews 54 or the Woods 888.  I us this bike for touring and the goal of the rebuild is reliability and at the same time more torq and a few more HP.  Very interested in what your next step and what results you get.  Can you post your dyno results ? 

[slider3w]

You Bet! I am going to also take it to one of the local Harley dealerships after the first of the year when they have their "Free" dyno run day, just to get an idea of what difference, if any, there dyno states I have for HP and torgue. Where is Darkhorse located??

Matt

[Unbalanced]

Hoban Brothers / Darkhorse Cranks

Osman, Wisconsin

http://www.hobancycle.com/

http://www.darkhorsecrankworks.com/

920-726-4990

[lvse110se5]

I have the andrews 54 cams in my 2010 and it is has plenty of torque. I pull a american legend behind it and even with the trailer it runs great. I rode a 2011 with the woods cams and I didn't think it felt as torquey (is that a word), but it could have been me.