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[TIF2]

I'm a Cheetos kind of guy!  

Hmmm - so if I say I'm into Snyder's - does that make me a "self-proclaimed" snack guru, with a "fragile ego"?
Snyder's is the shiznit, baby!

Sorry to pontificate ...

[TIF2]

Ah I see I have tweaked the fragile ego of the self perceived resident audio guru. You know, the one that runs his amps at 25% (why didn't you just buy a ten watt amp?) and thinks my now perfectly quiet system will be quieter if my amp gets the negative side of its twelve volts through a piece of metal other than wire before it hits the battery terminal. 



 You are the one handing out advice, only it is unwanted and unrelated to the problem I posted about, the clarification of the control wire situation because, unlike you apparently, I like to have my amps off when I am not using them.  I have since discovered the HK radio does not have a proper control wire  and have resolved the issue to my satisfaction with the help of Arc tech support and utilizing their auto sensing circuit.

I am not into mobile audio, I was into pro audio, you know, where they actually have grounds that connect to the ground?

Perhaps I misspoke about the "gain" I repent in dust and ashes. I am so embarrassed to have been caught in this error, but it is not as bad since it was YOU oh great one, that put me in my place.    I said I was not an electronics expert.  But I know how to make things sound good. What I always try to do is minimize unnecessary circuitry if possible and since the HK radio also does not have a proper pair of line level outs I didn't want to go through both the unnecessary HK power amp and then subsequently through some kind of pad circuit on the arc high level ins as well.  By trying the line level rca's I figured it would bypass any padding circuitry, and maximize my headroom and  potential output if it was needed,  but unfortunately, the auto sensing doesn't work on the line ins and I have had to compromise.  Turns out I have plenty of output anyway   

so thanks for your "help" (or was it just another opportunity for you to try to demonstrate your self perceived audio expertise?)   

Perhaps you may want to find a thread where you actually have the answer to the persons question the next time you feel like pontificating from on high...  It might help your attempt at ridicule to be more effective!     Please don't respond to me anymore!  Get out of my thread with your unrelated bloviating and challenges!! LOL   There is nothing to see here!  The problem has been solved!

You are right about one thing... The JM stuff is not that good! 

PS my Focals are 165 KR2 components with crossovers in the fairing and 165 CA1 coaxial in the lowers. 

Peace!

Uhhh - ok. Guess you showed me.
You should be happy to note I've updated my sig for you.

[TIF2]

Well, TIF, the reason you hear no noise floor or a pop from turning on the radio, is that you have your power amps attenuated to one notch above off!  (25%)     It is better to have the amps up a bit more than that so you don;t have to drive the preamp so hard.  You may not require as much volume as I like to have.... I am at about 75% of the Arcs gain control, and at the loudest I get up to about 5 bars on the HK volume control and it is smoking loud and clean.  I am not an electronics expert by any means but I had a recording studio and have done a lot of sound mixing and trimming gains both recording and live.  In live sound, the amps are often wide open but they are always turned on last and as long as the grounds are good and it has a live preamp plugged into it, it will be dead quiet.  Turn off the board or preamp with the amp still on and the system will hum and hiss. Amps are supposed to be turned off first.  Turn off the preamp with the amps on and the resulting pop can blow your horns and tweeters.

When I used the accessory enable wire back when I thought it was a good control wire, it did not pop when I initially turned the radio on and it would tell the amp to power up.  But if I shut the radio off, the power amp would not go off.  Then if I turn the radio back on, the sound of it clicking on would pop through the speakers.

Anyway, my bike sounds unbelievable.  Everyone that hears it is completely blown away.  The Focal spkrs are the chit. Not cheap, but excellent.  My friend does design and build work for Dangerous Music that makes high end pro audio gear for recording and he told me they use Focal speakers to demonstrate their gear at trade shows like AES.

Nothin' for nothin' here .... but who started "pontificating" from "on high" first?

[Twolanerider]

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[DennisG]

Hmmm - so if I say I'm into Snyder's - does that make me a "self-proclaimed" snack guru, with a "fragile ego"?
Snyder's is the shiznit, baby!

Sorry to pontificate ...

Took you long enough to come up with some responses. This has been bothering you for days has it?  You must have been up late drinking some "Makers" 

Uhhh - ok. Guess you showed me.
You should be happy to note I've updated my sig for you.

You're obsessed w/ me.  I'm flattered...  (and kinda creeped out)

I conferred with my electronics expert and he agreed that you are on to something with the ground star point on the chassis because of something to do with the way the battery acts as a capacitor (I can't remember everything he said.)  But also he said he wouldn't bother changing it if I don't hear anything negative and I don't.  It would only happen with the engine running and I note no noise during breaks between music and if it is there it is so far below the program material it is irrelevant.  I am running a Fatcat with wrapped performance baffle, it is almost comical to be nitpicking about this.  If I had an obvious whine like we used to get back in the day, I would move the wire pronto, but since I don,t, I will wait until I have nothing to do and I am in the mood. Then I will probably move it.

The sound is not perfect, it is a little boxy in the mids.  I would like to have some more surgical eq available to me.  Do you know of any good semi parametric or graphics available for mobile audio?  Most ideal would be something that could be controlled remotely from outside the closed up fairing. 

You are probably a very nice smart person.  Have a good day!

Dennis

[mrmagloo]

I think it's kind of funny that the OP started this thread scratching his head begging for help, and within a week or so, he's questioning those who jumped up to help him, and self-proclaimed himself the new wizard.  Good luck with your next request for help, big guy!

Carry on.   

[Harleypingman]

Here's what Arc's instructions say about the ground wire:

The Ground!!!
Warning: Read this Carefully
The ground wire should be connected directly to the chassis of your vehicle.
Find a location close to the amplifier . . .

Source:  Page 2 of these Arc 125.2 installation instructions, emphasis and punctuation from original, from Arc's website:

http://www.arcaudio.com/product-pdf/miniv2.pdf

For those viewing this thread who may want information on where to ground an amplifier on their bikes, there are ground studs under the seat as TIF2 mentioned, and one on the left side of the upper triple tree.  Grounding to the frame/chassis is also recommended by J&M and Rockford Fosgate, as well as the guy who writes the website referenced below.

For those viewing this thread who may want information on setting amplifier gains, this link is useful:

http://www.bcae1.com/gaincon2.htm

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm not a tech or audio professional.

Carl

Edited to remove the reference to the original post.

[DennisG]

I think it's kind of funny   the OP started this thread scratching his head begging for help, and within a week or so, he's questioning those who jumped up to help him, and self-proclaimed himself the new wizard.  Good luck with your next request for help, big guy!

Carry on.   

Hahahaha!  Yes, another exaggerating egotist poking his head into my thread for the purpose of demonstrating his attitude of superiority.  Scratching my head begging for help? Proclaiming myself a wizard?   How about asking a simple question after hours when no tech support is available.  A question I failed to get answered here.  Your reading comprehension may be even worse than the other guy, and that's saying something!  hahaha.  Guess ill never get any help from you, eh pal?  Whatever will I do?!!! 

[TIF2]

You're obsessed w/ me.  I'm flattered...  (and kinda creeped out)

If by "obsessed" you mean one who thinks you are an immature a$$-hole that likes nothing more than to instigate trouble while offering nothing back to the community on this topic - then yep ...

You nailed it.

I was going to offer you a possible solution (the one I did) to cure the "boxy" sound (it's an inherent problem with the fairing), but since all I'll hear is how I know nothing about mobile audio, I'll pass.

I'm sure you're a nice person as well - too bad in this thread you're just Richard Cranium.
You have a nice day as well - and ride safe!
 

[DennisG]

If by "obsessed" you mean one who thinks you are an immature a$$-hole that likes nothing more than to instigate trouble while offering nothing to the community - then yep ...

You nailed it.

I was going to offer you a possible solution to the "boxy" sound (it's an inherent problem with the fairing), but since all I'll hear is how I know nothing about mobile audio, I'll pass.

I'm sure you're a nice person as well - too bad on this forum you're just Richard Cranium.
You have a nice day as well - and ride safe!
 

I'm instigating trouble? You come into my thread and try to be a control freak about my ground wire which has nothing to do with the problem I had. You and that other guy are poking your heads into my thread with nothing to offer about the question I asked.  I tried to be polite and humorous about telling you to let it go, but you can't.  Yes you are obsessed, and now you resort to name calling, and you say I am immature.  That's a good one. And now you are punishing me by withholding more of your supposed wisdom that cant be obtained anywhere else!  HAHAHAHAHA!!  Your ego is impressive.  Oh please forgive me!  Whatever will i do? I guess I am doomed to an eternity of irritating midrange!       Sheesh.....        

You show me where I said you know nothing about mobile audio.    Yes that seems to be all you hear, only it hasn't been said.. Just another example of your ego and insecurity  getting in the way of your reading comprehension and subsequent participation in the discussion.

Blessings!

Dennis

[TIF2]

I didn't realize that you could own a thread.

And you are a wise man my friend.

He may have been the OP, but the thread belongs to the community.


TIF2

[DennisG]

wow. haven't had a good bluey here in a long time. glad i wasn't in it, but here goes. I didn't realize that you could own a thread.
so what's wrong with the stock speakers anyway? just asking

The forums that I have been on give deference to the originator of the thread to keep it on his topic.  This forum may not be that way.

As to the speakers...They suck!  and the stock amp is cheesy as well.  I dare not say any more for fear of being paddled for speaking incorrectly about the technical nature of "suck"

 

[TIF2]

so what's wrong with the stock speakers anyway? just asking

Like everything Larry -

stock SUX!!



... " I won't have to change a thing ... it's a CVO after all" ...

riiiiiiight

[TIF2]

As to the speakers...They suck!  and the stock amp is cheesy as well.

FINALLY - we are in agreemant!
Sheesh - took you long enough ....

[TIF2]

I'm the dog on the left ...

Notice that my leg was raised "just a bit higher"? (lol)

You're killin' me man! ... "Harley" is almost 5 mos now! He'll be raisin' it soon.
Hopefully he won't be like our first Lab  - the house training starts all over again