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[sadunbar]

Agreed.  On I-90 inbetween Winona and St. Charles, I had three retarded Harley riders loaded down and assumingly on their way to Sturgis pass me on the shoulder in a single lane construction zone at what had to be 80mph or a slightly greater speed.  It took everything I had not to run them off the road.  If I didn't have a car full of kids, they would've tested an H-D's ability to go off road.  With stupid riding like that, they are on their way to becoming a statistic.

That comment about has me speechless.  And coming from someone who rides.    

Riding 80mph on the shoulder in single lane construction is dangerous and foolish - but for someone who rides to even think of intentionally running a motorcyclist going 80mph off the road into the grass is almost beyond belief.  Someone who rides should know the consequences of that idiotic move is potentially deadly.  Not your finest moment, Hank...

[Twolanerider]

That comment about has me speechless.  And coming from someone who rides.    

I'm not speechless.  It was a stupid thing to say and a sentiment that doesn't belong.  Not just doesn't belong coming from a rider but doesn't belong; period.  No better than the gentlepeople (that's how you show sarcasm when you're writing) in their cages that do make it dangerous for us on purpose.

I don't even have the same take on the accidents that many of the crowd here seem to.  Neither seemed to me to come from extreme nor zealous over-riding relative to the conditions and machines.  First guy blew a tire and went down.  It happens.  Could to any one of us at any time.

Second guy was coming around a corner and, unexpectedly, saw a police car.  He saw the cop at a time when he had other things to do.  But that's when he saw the cop.  And the cop is what he then reacted to, rather than the pavement he was navigating.  His mistake was that he focused on the cop.  So in to the cop is exactly where he rode.

It was a mistake.  But it was a mistake of focus (or lack thereof) caused by the unexpected cop causing an unplanned change of reaction at just the wrong time.  It wasn't some testostone fueled wheelie induced crotch rocket crash.  The poor guy just screwed up.  Just like any one of us could do if we lost focus of where we were going through a busy curve at just the wrong time.

That's all separate and apart from wishing ill to another rider.  That just can't happen.  There are too few of us out there.  We're too badly outnumbered to be worried about our own.  I've seen idiot riders on the road.  I don't wish them harm.  I may wish them tickets from the local law and might have even made a phone call to help make that happen.  As much for their good as my own.  But to wish another rider harm is one of the more dipchit things a rider can do.

[grayghost731]

Interesting comment coming from someone who rides.... sure hope no one has to tell your kids one day that daddy got run of the road by somebody that was pissed off at the way he was riding his motorcycle.

Not that I agree w/the way those rider's were riding or do I agree with a lot of the other stupid things people do on bikes but to take a vehicle and run them off the road is not anyway to handle the situation.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

well said       you can not out run KARMA 

[kraut]

...  Poker runs, drunken rallies, and retarded riders give motorcyclists a bad name.  ...

Hmmm, I'm afraid I belong to those who give motorcyclists a bad name 

Traffic regulations are made for the most stupid and unaware driver in the most inadequate vehicle

"Lane splitting" is strictly illegal over here as are many other typical motorcycle practices, road blocking for instance or passing by the stopped cars at red lights. But many riders - including myself - have those habits and it's normaly tolerated both by car drivers and police as long as nobody gets endangered by doing so. Also I usually ride - and drive - 20 km/h above speed limits (that's the "affordable" range over here). With the "mods" on my bike I actually break the law the very minute I hit the public road 

So you may say I'm a habitual offender 

That's even right I'm afraid - and I'm perfectly aware some other people every day take offense by my riding - and driving - style - and some of my other habits too  But I usually know what I do and only once caused an accident  - "misinterpreted" right of way in a dark night on an unknown road over 20 years and about a million miles ago:-X

...  I've never done anything stupid on a motorcycle ...

Oh I did and still do, quite often actually - but I try to keep it as rare and as safe as possible 

I won't change any more in my old ages I'm afraid 

Certainly you may say I'm not "political correct" nor even a "good citizen" - and I would have to answer that's actually not even intended 

[Twolanerider]

I've never done anything stupid on a motorcycle...ever...

Thank God (and Moses with that whole "first stone" thing) that you're perfect on the bike Hank.  Because with sentiments like the following in your head there's enough "stupid" running around up there for the rest of the time.

It took everything I had not to run them off the road.  If I didn't have a car full of kids, they would've tested an H-D's ability to go off road.

[porthole]

So................ he pulled all his posts and dropped his membership?

[Twolanerider]

So................ he pulled all his posts and dropped his membership?

Guess when you've never made a mistake you need a better grade of friends than we offer.  And when you can run someone else off the (digital) road you have to make the hard right on your own.

That's cool.  Don't think we've had anyone MFG himself since, well, MFG .

[porthole]

I though the exit was at stage left?

Miss a day or two and lose out on all kinds of conversations 

[PASN YU]

I guess you guys pissed Hank off. 

[North Georgia Hawg]

I guess you guys pissed Hank off. 

We're better off without him. He seemed like a pompous arse to me anyway... good riddance to people like that!

[kraut]

I feel sorry for each and anybody we loose - but it's the internet phenomenon. If you meet in person you may have a dispute but the expirience of riding together will knit a companionship that survives even a harsh dispute. Log in or logout is just ever so easy ...

[indcoltz]

everyone wants to quote there rights, well on the other foot I also have the pursuit of Happiness and that means being able to ride my motorcycle down the road without fear of some idiot that has not a clue from running over me, When the Constitution and The Bill of Rights were written, I really don't think riding motorcycles were a part of it. Anyway no one has the right to to put anyone else's life in jeopardy. In this state if you let some one ride a motorcycle without endorsement they come after that person

[Dr.D]

I feel sorry for each and anybody we loose - but it's the internet phenomenon. If you meet in person you may have a dispute but the expirience of riding together will knit a companionship that survives even a harsh dispute. Log in or logout is just ever so easy ...

True and your first post was even more pointed.

Of course not all should ride motorcycles. The trouble starts when you tell another what to do and not do.

[AZ Sparky]

True and your first post was even more pointed.

Of course not all should ride motorcycles. The trouble starts when you tell another what to do and not do.

VERY true - who decides who does and doesn't ride?

I know we have liscensing requirements.

We have safety courses available - required for some of us.

But neither of those measure a persons maturity/sense and THAT, IMHO, is the root of the problem - an individual's maturity/sense.

[Midnight Rider]

As mentioned earlier...a person needs to know their limitations.  I have exceeded mine a few times in life, and hopefully learned a few things in the process.  I guess you could call that "maturity", or the "School of Hard Knocks"...but 99.9% of those things did not put other lives in danger, only my own.  Most, in hindsight, were stupid, and I paid a price for some of them...

I've also SAID some stupid things in my life, but mostly had sense enough to realize they were stupid shortly after leaving my mouth.  It's a shame Hank left, but we all put on our big boy britches every day, and if you say something, you'd better be able to back it up, apologize, or shut the f@#$ up.  Or all three...