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[UltraPolecat]

So I assume from your response that they will only effect the models going forward and is not retroactive to 06 and prior?  So we are safe from future "enforcement"?

[KentuckyHarleyDude]

So I assume from your response that they will only effect the models going forward and is not retroactive to 06 and prior?  So we are safe from future "enforcement"?

LOL ...hell Polecat who am I to say who's safe and whos not ..like I said earlier all Im reporting are the things Ive been told from some Harley techs ...take it for what its worth my friend ..

Bama

[UltraPolecat]

You are so right!  When it comes to our government, THEY don't even know what they are going to do.  I fight with OSHA, EPA, City Govt, etc on a regular basis.  I'm sure these guys are no different.

 

[MYCVO]

Personally if the resale value of my bike is affected it won't mean much at all to me--cause mine is mine and thats how it will stay! If I want one of the newer models I'll get one of those and keep this one as well! If I'm understanding all that I'm hearing the bigger power plants will also be much more difficult to modify with the inspections that will be made to them- greatly affecting what exhaust system is used, what engine mods that can gotten away with so forth and so on. JMO
MYCVO

[KentuckyHarleyDude]

Personally if the resale value of my bike is affected it won't mean much at all to me--cause mine is mine and thats how it will stay! If I want one of the newer models I'll get one of those and keep this one as well! If I'm understanding all that I'm hearing the bigger power plants will also be much more difficult to modify with the inspections that will be made to them- greatly affecting what exhaust system is used, what engine mods that can gotten away with so forth and so on. JMO
MYCVO

HERE HERE MYCVO very well said ... based on what I have read and been told from Harley employees Ive come to the conclusion that the 07's big engines and the six speed will be offset but the pre 07's versatility ... Im sure that enitally there may be some drop in value but in the long run it may be a blessing to us that own the "obsolete" models ...they will NEVER make these again ....

Bama

[Fired00d]

So I assume from your response that they will only effect the models going forward and is not retroactive to 06 and prior?  So we are safe from future "enforcement"?

Funny you should mention this. Today when I was visiting a H-D dealer we were discussing the '07's and the fact that modifying the exhaust would be taboo. He mentioned that he had told all of his customers that had modified there '06's to keep their old exhaust. He was thinking there might be problems down the road, but was hoping they would be grandfathered in and they wouldn't have anything to worry about. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[Tbone]

Personally if the resale value of my bike is affected it won't mean much at all to me--cause mine is mine and thats how it will stay! If I want one of the newer models I'll get one of those and keep this one as well! If I'm understanding all that I'm hearing the bigger power plants will also be much more difficult to modify with the inspections that will be made to them- greatly affecting what exhaust system is used, what engine mods that can gotten away with so forth and so on. JMO
MYCVO

I'm with you MYCVO, my addiction started with my first H-D in 03 and I haven't parted with one yet!

[MYCVO]

HERE HERE MYCVO very well said ... based on what I have read and been told from Harley employees Ive come to the conclusion that the 07's big engines and the six speed will be offset but the pre 07's versatility ... Im sure that enitally there may be some drop in value but in the long run it may be a blessing to us that own the "obsolete" models ...they will NEVER make these again ....

Bama

No Chit there Bama!! AND that's a good tihng!

[MYCVO]

I'm with you MYCVO, my addiction started with my first H-D in 03 and I haven't parted with one yet!

Me I only let go of my Heritage BUT it went to my brother and we ride together all the time so, it's still with me and I get to see it now from a different view.

[MYCVO]

Funny you should mention this. Today when I was visiting a H-D dealer we were discussing the '07's and the fact that modifying the exhaust would be taboo. He mentioned that he had told all of his customers that had modified there '06's to keep their old exhaust. He was thinking there might be problems down the road, but was hoping they would be grandfathered in and they wouldn't have anything to worry about. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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dood,
I was at bike night tonight and 3 buddies I've not seen since before Laconia came in, all 3 with 06 Streetglides, there were all saying the same thing ( glad to get theirs before they were gone cause all the 07 models were going to be WAY Taboo to modify exhaust or to alter the performance of the motors) unless the don't care about swapping all the work back just to get an inspection every year.

[Fired00d]

Personally if the resale value of my bike is affected it won't mean much at all to me--cause mine is mine and thats how it will stay! If I want one of the newer models I'll get one of those and keep this one as well!....MYCVO

Mark,
Same here. I can't at this moment think of anything that would want me to get rid of my Pumpkin. In other words my bike is "Priceless". I've put to much work into getting it just the way I want it.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[grc]

Jerry I was talking about the new 07s ..not the 06's

Bama

Bama,

So was I, I just used the '06 Dyna as an example since it had pretty much everything that's on the '07's except the new displacement.  Same new overdriven primary and 6 speed, new engine and trans cases to eliminate external oil lines, new automatic tensioner for the primary, new cams/cam plate/tensioners/oil pump, [highlight]closed loop (O² sensors) engine management[/highlight], etc.  It had only been on the market a few months before the PowerCommander folks had a PC available for it, and I expect you will see one for the '07 models very shortly.  

Harley will most likely only have a limited number of upgrade options, such as the big bore kits, for which they will provide EPA approved calibration downloads.  All other modifications will have to be made with aftermarket parts and aftermarket tuning aids, just like it's been in the automotive world for the last 26+ years.  I still say do what you want, but be smart enough to keep all the original parts just in case your state decides to start doing emissions testing.  And do us all a favor by going with reasonable pipes that don't set off car alarms and rattle windows.  If you're going to break the law, you don't need to advertise the fact to the surrounding county or invite complaints from the citizenry and scrutiny from the authorities.  JMHO

Jerry

[Fired00d]

.....I still say do what you want, but be smart enough to keep all the original parts just in case your state decides to start doing emissions testing.  And do us all a favor by going with reasonable pipes that don't set off car alarms and rattle windows.  If you're going to break the law, you don't need to advertise the fact to the surrounding county or invite complaints from the citizenry and scrutiny from the authorities.  JMHO

Jerry

Very good points here. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] The problem that we are having now has been partly if not entirely bought on by ourselves. We need to be more observant of our actions, and police ourselves so "big brotha" doesn't do it for us. We need to get the public on our side, and not against us for disturbing them. I'd be the first to admit I love the sound of a free flowing exhaust, but I wouldn't want to impose that sound in the middle of the night on my neighbors.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[MYCVO]

Mark,
Same here. I can't at this moment think of anything that would want me to get rid of my Pumpkin. In other words my bike is "Priceless". I've put to much work into getting it just the way I want it.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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No question about that---It shows!

[BobD]

The fine from EPA for exhaust modification...

$25K if dealer modifies them on '07 bikes.
$5K if owner modifies them on '07 bikes.

Who's going to enforce, who knows? What end user/owner will be concerned about it, who knows? Bottom line the law is there and someday, someone may get a wild hair up there you know what and want to enforce it. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Just came from the local dealer this morning where I had my CUSE serviced. Talking to the service manager I now know who's going to be the biggest enforcer - Harley Davidson. He told me Harley laid down the law at the dealer meeting. Absolutely no mods to the engine, drive train or exhaust on "07's. Penalty - loss of dealer contract. They're serious about this and are going to make dealers follow the rules. Penalty to the owner or an '07 - loss of warranty if a bike is found to be non-conforming.  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]