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[Midnight Rider]

All this and no one has said what they use and what they think is best. I dont want to download maps. I have a tunere 5 minutes from me that tunes crotch rockets on a dyno. I want the bike tuned to itsa maximum potential and not have to do it again and again.

Well....if you have a crotch rocket tuner 5 minutes from you and think he can tune a Harley, why don't you go ask him what tuner he recommends for your Harley?  If he looks at you like a deer in the headlights, go elsewhere.  Or if he's never tuned a Harley, see previous statement.

[grc]

All this and no one has said what they use and what they think is best. I dont want to download maps. I have a tunere 5 minutes from me that tunes crotch rockets on a dyno. I want the bike tuned to itsa maximum potential and not have to do it again and again.

There is no single "best" product.  There are several on the market that can be used by a competent tuner to do what you want; some good choices include SEPST from Harley, the TTS MasterTune, the Power Vision from DynoJet, etc.  As I mentioned, these things are just the tool.  The most important part of the equation is the guy (or gal) wielding the tool.  Kind of like with mechanical things, where the very best set of Snap-On tools won't turn an incompetent mechanic into an ace technician, if you catch my drift.

If you want the bike tuned one time and not have to do it again and again, then you need to spend a whole lot more time researching the folks doing the tuning, not the devices.  And don't fall for the BS some throw out about the magic of "auto" tune.  It's not necessarily fully automatic or optimized for your situation, no matter what the ads claim.  It may be fine for many people, but it is not the be all and end all for everyone.

Jerry

[T-Roy]

Well I have done some research on this forum and others and it looks like I may be in luck. The name Indian Rick (Rick Nelson) keeps popping up with excellent reviews for his tuning capabilities. One guy even said that he may be the best from Houston to Miami, which I am taking with a grain of salt However, it does seem from what I can find that he seems to be reputable and he just happens to work at the dealership where I purchased the bike (Cajun Harley). I am going to stop be there on the 24th on my way home from offshore and have a talk with him. I could see from the forums that he used the SE tuner with one person and a PC tuner with another, so I will ask him which tool he prefers to work with and what the expected cost will be for the dyno time and tuning. Then it will just be a matter of saving up the funds to get it all done. It sure will be nice to get rid of that header pipe with the CAT

[FLSTFI Dave]

I am going to stop be there on the 24th on my way home from offshore and have a talk with him. I could see from the forums that he used the SE tuner with one person and a PC tuner with another, so I will ask him which tool he prefers to work with and what the expected cost will be for the dyno time and tuning. Then it will just be a matter of saving up the funds to get it all done. It sure will be nice to get rid of that header pipe with the CAT

What do you do off shore?  I am a Senior Electronics Tech on a 6th Generation Drill Ship in the GoM.

I see you have a 13 CVO King too.  Getting rid of the cat with a good head pipe like Fullsac DX pipe, and good mufflers or baffles like fullsac are a big help with a tune.

I run the Fullsac DX pipe header, fullsac 2.25 baffles in the stock muffler cans, with the TTS tuner. 

[T-Roy]

Hi Dave I am a senior Intrument /Electronics Tech for Shell on a Spar off the coast of Texas. I have already purchased some V&H Hi Output mufflers, I just could not wait to get rid of that stock sewing machine sound. When I save the funds for the tuner, tuning, and header pipes I will probably go with either the V&H dresser duals or power duals.

[T-Roy]

I have been hearing that the Vance and Hines dresser duals and the Hi Output slip ons cause a loss of low end torque but really sound great. Is this a loss from stock even after getting the bike tuned? Or will it have more torque than stock but just less than the power duals? Or will I have to go with the power duals to get the same or more torque than stock? I really do not need more power than stock. I just don't like the quiet sewing machine sound of stock. However I don't want to have less power than stock. I would have thought a tuned bike would have more power than stock regardless of which header pipe is used.

[2013SERG]

What do you do off shore?  I am a Senior Electronics Tech on a 6th Generation Drill Ship in the GoM.

I see you have a 13 CVO King too.  Getting rid of the cat with a good head pipe like Fullsac DX pipe, and good mufflers or baffles like fullsac are a big help with a tune.

I run the Fullsac DX pipe header, fullsac 2.25 baffles in the stock muffler cans, with the TTS tuner. 

X2

[Doubletap]

I'm not going to bash the SERT but... ...I ended up buying one at the suggestion of a few different people and I wish I had never bought the damned thing. Admittedly I have no decent tuner around here but the local HD shop attempted to dyno tune it twice and it's still terrible. Popping and backfiring, surging below 2500 rpm, just not fun to ride until you get out on the highway. I'd like to take the SERT off and replace it with something else but I'm afraid the mapping is so goofed up now that another module would not be able to get it right either. I need to go back to stock map then go to something else. A royal PITA from the beginning. Definitely do some research and go with what the tuner guy offers as others have said here. After all, he has to stand behind it if it doesn't work. Unlike the HD guys.

[2k]

I'm not going to bash the SERT but... ...I ended up buying one at the suggestion of a few different people and I wish I had never bought the damned thing. Admittedly I have no decent tuner around here but the local HD shop attempted to dyno tune it twice and it's still terrible. Popping and backfiring, surging below 2500 rpm, just not fun to ride until you get out on the highway. I'd like to take the SERT off and replace it with something else but I'm afraid the mapping is so goofed up now that another module would not be able to get it right either. I need to go back to stock map then go to something else. A royal PITA from the beginning. Definitely do some research and go with what the tuner guy offers as others have said here. After all, he has to stand behind it if it doesn't work. Unlike the HD guys.

I'm sure spending more $$$ is the last thing you want to do, but might be your only choice. TTS has a good range of canned MAPs you could dump one and play with it yourself if necessary. At least you're not DIW.

[FLSTFI Dave]

I have been hearing that the Vance and Hines dresser duals and the Hi Output slip ons cause a loss of low end torque but really sound great. Is this a loss from stock even after getting the bike tuned? Or will it have more torque than stock but just less than the power duals? Or will I have to go with the power duals to get the same or more torque than stock? I really do not need more power than stock. I just don't like the quiet sewing machine sound of stock. However I don't want to have less power than stock. I would have thought a tuned bike would have more power than stock regardless of which header pipe is used.

The Vance and Hines Hi-Output have a torque dip in the low RPM, below 3000.  It is most noticable dip between 2000 and 2500 RPM.  They just do not have enough back pressure to make good low end torque.  The 110 motor is very sensitive to the head pipe and mufflers, more than one tuner and porter has told me that.  That said, their are not many if any that have a better deep sound than they do.

You would need to add the power duals to get rid of the cat and a tune to help make up for the torque dip.

Me, once I saw the torque dip or loss, I changed to a fullsac baffle in the stock muffler.

I still have the hi out puts, love the sound, but wanted the torque more.

For me, on my CVO Road glide, its just a tune, Fuelmoto Jackpot head pipe, and Jackpot pro tour mufflers, its my traveling bike.

My king, Stock was not enough power.  I have done a little bit of motor work, see my signature, 121 HP and 121 Torque.  The torque is over 110 at 2700 RPM.  A long torque curve that does not start to fall from 120 until 5000 RPM.  Makes my 12 CVO road glide feel week.  A blast to ride

[T-Roy]

Well since I already have the Hi Output mufflers it will be the power dual header pipes. Thanks for everyons comments and help in this thread. I am going to call Cajun Harley tomorrow to see which tuning tool "Indian Rick" prefers to work with. I called the yesterday but Rick had left for the day. The guy I spoke to said he THOUGHT Rick prefered the screaming eagle tuner but I want to talk to Rick to be sure. About how many hours should I expect it to take for the tuning. Also, since the bike is over 100 miles from there I am gonna have to let them install the header pipes because I don't want to ride it that far without the correct tuning for the new header pipes

[T-Roy]

I spoke with Cajun Harley today and They said that Rick prefers tuning with the Screaming Eagle Tuner. Also he does not do a full tune on any bike until it has at least 2500 miles on it. Oh well, that just gives me some time to save up some funds since I only have 300 miles on it now.

[FLSTFI Dave]

Interesting on wanting 2500 miles on it before a full dyno tune.

However it does not take long to get the miles on.

[T-Roy]

He said he did not want to take the bike to redline on the dyno until the miles were put on it. They said they could put a base map on it with the new pipes until the mileage was reached and then do the full tune for the same money but I think I would just rather wait. Anyway, Rick stays booked up about a month ahead of time due to the demand for his services.